Basilisk Crag: Public Debate for Vanarch Candidates

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Fatwa on 05/24/2012, 04:47 PM - view
Vanarchs:

What is your opinion of small guilds?



Running a smaller guild myself, I pretty much think it's the way to go. Big guilds have one major advantage over us, which is that they can always overwhelm us with sheer numbers, but that says nothing about their skills or quality.

When it comes to being a part of a smaller unit, you have the opportunity to really get to know your people on a much more personal level. I know each and every one of my guys, I've met many of them in real life after they've joined during my travels.

The typical membership turnover is several years. When someone joins, they typically join to stay in the unit for keeps. That's the only way to run a guild, in my opinion.

That, though most likely stems from what my original vision of guilds were. As I said in another thread, we started this unit when the gaming culture on the internet was very different. You couldn't just join a clan, quit, and join another clan. Switching your loyalties was a matter of grave consequence. The other guilds would not take you, because they saw you as a deserter, or as unfaithful. It sort of stained you as a player. You had to have very good reason to abandon your unit if you didn't want to become an outcast to the community.

Therefore, when a unit was formed, it was with the intent to retain those members for several years, and the Kiith managed to do this as it evolved with the times. Evolving with the times is something that slew many guilds around us. Anyway, I'm going off on a tangent. I love small guilds, and I think our server would be much better if the cap per guild was set at 100 instead of 300.

-Zeroden
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Fatwa on 05/24/2012, 04:47 PM - view
Vanarchs:

What is your opinion of small guilds?


Hey there Fatwa, interesting question.

Let me start off by saying that I understand that small guilds are an important asset to the community. They are in no way less important just because of the quantity of their member base. I as a guild leader try to encompass that "small guild" feeling, through community interaction. I really consider all guilds as being part of trying to fit a player's niche in this world. -- Quality can really win over quantity if people are better able to interact with one another.

Smaller guilds encompass plenty of potential, sometimes more often than larger guilds. They have less to worry about when it comes to being hunted in GvG, and instead can become the hunter. It may be harder to attract others with a small guild, but those that do join and stick around have a very high retention rate, thanks to getting to know one another very well. Sometimes smaller guilds have less to offer in terms of grouping and crafting potential - However, both can be overcome in time.

Very "Large" guilds will have a 'core,' or 'clique' sometimes involved. This leads to players not part of that 'core' or 'clique' feeling left out. When that starts to occur, you either need to downsize or encourage people to work together. I've seen guilds with over a thousand players on other games - leaders of those guilds can hardly manage, and its just a revolving door of people.

There isn't anything bad that can be said about a guild regardless of size, as long as every player's needs are met, and they feel fine with their niche in this world.

--Jessiriel, leader of the ' Kings of Numenor ' on TERA
(Running for Essenia, Southern Shara)
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ArkyFoxy on 05/24/2012, 01:19 PM - view
I see alot of people talking about PVP and taxes. But no one here is addressing the elephant in the room. Our server is hurting. Anyone else notice the mass changes with guild leaving BC and moving to Titans and other servers? The rumors of merges? These are all because our server is hurting for numbers. Population is down, items on market are up on prices. This cross server instancing doesn't help either.

Sure it's nice to not have to find a party on our server alone, but when we are down on numbers and we outsource our instancing to other servers. We are only contributing to the death of our own server. Instancing isn't the main problem, infact it will help keep people interested in Tera. The main problem is newer players not staying with us! We need to put a buffer between our PKers and our new members. It's too discouraging to have someone nuke a new player right outside Lumbertown.
We need to protect our new players to keep them interested and happy. We are the RP PVP community, atleast thats what we were supposed to be. Look at us now. We down on numbers, PKers camp Lumbertown bridge. We're killing ourselves.

I hope when elections roll around people will vote for the health of our server. Vote for Arky, GM of Linkshell. I have nothing but time and effort to put into keeping our game alive, and with my guild and the help of other guild we know. We will bring a -NO PVP- Zone to Arcadia. We will keep vendors open. WE WILL keep taxes to the MINIMUM!

We will make NO EXCEPTIONS to these goals.

~Arky,
GM of Linkshell.


I'm just a small guild leader looking for a vanarch to vote for in the South continents. However, there's a big disconnect here:

You mentioned the population dropping, and to be blunt, it's not that bad.

You mentioned people going to VoT, and they go BECAUSE of the high amount of PvP at all levels, though we get people transfering to BC because of the community.

You talk about discouraged lowbies, but I've never heard Linkshell as a name to trust for protecting Lumbertown.

You talk about RP-PvP, but haven't shown up to an event, nor have you participated over at the http://councilofseven.enjin.com where the unofficial RP-PvP server was first discussed.

All I see from Linkshell is recruitment spam and now vanarch spam on anti-PvP, which goes against the spirit of both the community and the server.

However, the Linkshell candidate has brought up a strong point about community, as well as highlighting the thoughts of the minority. So, again, here's my question for the candidates:

What have you already done for the BC community that makes you worthy of our votes?
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Dengar on 05/25/2012, 11:50 AM - view
ArkyFoxy on 05/24/2012, 01:19 PM
I see alot of people talking about PVP and taxes. But no one here is addressing the elephant in the room. Our server is hurting. Anyone else notice the mass changes with guild leaving BC and moving to Titans and other servers? The rumors of merges? These are all because our server is hurting for numbers. Population is down, items on market are up on prices. This cross server instancing doesn't help either.

Sure it's nice to not have to find a party on our server alone, but when we are down on numbers and we outsource our instancing to other servers. We are only contributing to the death of our own server. Instancing isn't the main problem, infact it will help keep people interested in Tera. The main problem is newer players not staying with us! We need to put a buffer between our PKers and our new members. It's too discouraging to have someone nuke a new player right outside Lumbertown.
We need to protect our new players to keep them interested and happy. We are the RP PVP community, atleast thats what we were supposed to be. Look at us now. We down on numbers, PKers camp Lumbertown bridge. We're killing ourselves.

I hope when elections roll around people will vote for the health of our server. Vote for Arky, GM of Linkshell. I have nothing but time and effort to put into keeping our game alive, and with my guild and the help of other guild we know. We will bring a -NO PVP- Zone to Arcadia. We will keep vendors open. WE WILL keep taxes to the MINIMUM!

We will make NO EXCEPTIONS to these goals.

~Arky,
GM of Linkshell.


I'm just a small guild leader looking for a vanarch to vote for in the South continents. However, there's a big disconnect here:

You mentioned the population dropping, and to be blunt, it's not that bad.

You mentioned people going to VoT, and they go BECAUSE of the high amount of PvP at all levels, though we get people transfering to BC because of the community.

You talk about discouraged lowbies, but I've never heard Linkshell as a name to trust for protecting Lumbertown.

You talk about RP-PvP, but haven't shown up to an event, nor have you participated over at the http://councilofseven.enjin.com where the unofficial RP-PvP server was first discussed.

All I see from Linkshell is recruitment spam and now vanarch spam on anti-PvP, which goes against the spirit of both the community and the server.

However, the Linkshell candidate has brought up a strong point about community, as well as highlighting the thoughts of the minority. So, again, here's my question for the candidates:

What have you already done for the BC community that makes you worthy of our votes?


As a side note - VoT is suffering from PvP disappearance as well, per my investigation into the fellow who came to our subforum promoting VoT as the place to be. They're scrambling to fill the void.

Decline in overall population? Nope. I think it has to do more with the types of folks they have there, never learning the concept of nurturing your community - not running it into the ground.

/Some folks have asked privately
//not running for Vanarch via popular vote
///I've done many things for the BC community ^^
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Fatwa on 05/25/2012, 11:55 AM - view
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ArkyFoxy on 05/24/2012, 01:19 PM
I see alot of people talking about PVP and taxes. But no one here is addressing the elephant in the room. Our server is hurting. Anyone else notice the mass changes with guild leaving BC and moving to Titans and other servers? The rumors of merges? These are all because our server is hurting for numbers. Population is down, items on market are up on prices. This cross server instancing doesn't help either.

Sure it's nice to not have to find a party on our server alone, but when we are down on numbers and we outsource our instancing to other servers. We are only contributing to the death of our own server. Instancing isn't the main problem, infact it will help keep people interested in Tera. The main problem is newer players not staying with us! We need to put a buffer between our PKers and our new members. It's too discouraging to have someone nuke a new player right outside Lumbertown.
We need to protect our new players to keep them interested and happy. We are the RP PVP community, atleast thats what we were supposed to be. Look at us now. We down on numbers, PKers camp Lumbertown bridge. We're killing ourselves.

I hope when elections roll around people will vote for the health of our server. Vote for Arky, GM of Linkshell. I have nothing but time and effort to put into keeping our game alive, and with my guild and the help of other guild we know. We will bring a -NO PVP- Zone to Arcadia. We will keep vendors open. WE WILL keep taxes to the MINIMUM!

We will make NO EXCEPTIONS to these goals.

~Arky,
GM of Linkshell.


I'm just a small guild leader looking for a vanarch to vote for in the South continents. However, there's a big disconnect here:

You mentioned the population dropping, and to be blunt, it's not that bad.

You mentioned people going to VoT, and they go BECAUSE of the high amount of PvP at all levels, though we get people transfering to BC because of the community.

You talk about discouraged lowbies, but I've never heard Linkshell as a name to trust for protecting Lumbertown.

You talk about RP-PvP, but haven't shown up to an event, nor have you participated over at the http://councilofseven.enjin.com where the unofficial RP-PvP server was first discussed.

All I see from Linkshell is recruitment spam and now vanarch spam on anti-PvP, which goes against the spirit of both the community and the server.

However, the Linkshell candidate has brought up a strong point about community, as well as highlighting the thoughts of the minority. So, again, here's my question for the candidates:

What have you already done for the BC community that makes you worthy of our votes?


As a side note - VoT is suffering from PvP disappearance as well, per my investigation into the fellow who came to our subforum promoting VoT as the place to be. They're scrambling to fill the void.

Decline in overall population? Nope. I think it has to do more with the types of folks they have there, never learning the concept of nurturing your community - not running it into the ground.

/Some folks have asked privately
//not running for Vanarch via popular vote
///I've done many things for the BC community ^^


Another thing that is pretty obvious is Diablo 3! Let's face it many were waiting YEARS for Diablo 3. Way longer then for TERA. I'd wager the illusion of decline is people taking a break from TERA (so they don't burn out, I know I am!) and hopping on that. Or for the shooter fans playing the new Ghost Recon.

As for myself, I'm not worried. TERA should be around for awhile. It's an MMO it isn't going anywhere. A break here and there for another game is good. I can't see myself playing TERA and only TERA without stop for years, I'm only human! I'd be burned out real fast!
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Dengar on 05/25/2012, 11:50 AM - view
ArkyFoxy on 05/24/2012, 01:19 PM
I see alot of people talking about PVP and taxes. But no one here is addressing the elephant in the room. Our server is hurting. Anyone else notice the mass changes with guild leaving BC and moving to Titans and other servers? The rumors of merges? These are all because our server is hurting for numbers. Population is down, items on market are up on prices. This cross server instancing doesn't help either.

Sure it's nice to not have to find a party on our server alone, but when we are down on numbers and we outsource our instancing to other servers. We are only contributing to the death of our own server. Instancing isn't the main problem, infact it will help keep people interested in Tera. The main problem is newer players not staying with us! We need to put a buffer between our PKers and our new members. It's too discouraging to have someone nuke a new player right outside Lumbertown.
We need to protect our new players to keep them interested and happy. We are the RP PVP community, atleast thats what we were supposed to be. Look at us now. We down on numbers, PKers camp Lumbertown bridge. We're killing ourselves.

I hope when elections roll around people will vote for the health of our server. Vote for Arky, GM of Linkshell. I have nothing but time and effort to put into keeping our game alive, and with my guild and the help of other guild we know. We will bring a -NO PVP- Zone to Arcadia. We will keep vendors open. WE WILL keep taxes to the MINIMUM!

We will make NO EXCEPTIONS to these goals.

~Arky,
GM of Linkshell.


I'm just a small guild leader looking for a vanarch to vote for in the South continents. However, there's a big disconnect here:

You mentioned the population dropping, and to be blunt, it's not that bad.

You mentioned people going to VoT, and they go BECAUSE of the high amount of PvP at all levels, though we get people transfering to BC because of the community.

You talk about discouraged lowbies, but I've never heard Linkshell as a name to trust for protecting Lumbertown.

You talk about RP-PvP, but haven't shown up to an event, nor have you participated over at the http://councilofseven.enjin.com where the unofficial RP-PvP server was first discussed.

All I see from Linkshell is recruitment spam and now vanarch spam on anti-PvP, which goes against the spirit of both the community and the server.

However, the Linkshell candidate has brought up a strong point about community, as well as highlighting the thoughts of the minority. So, again, here's my question for the candidates:

What have you already done for the BC community that makes you worthy of our votes?


Ahem. One lets see here. Recruitment spam? Linkshell has never recruited. The members in the guild came to us. Friends, family, and more. Linkshell has at most offered open spots for members ONE TIME. I myself did it. SO I know for sure.

Two. If you haven't heard of us, where have you been hiding? We're know as a PKK guild. Ask people like Jeveluth, Devona, Jadas, Fenrir, and more. Heck even ask the PK guilds we have GvG'd and stomped. Seriously? Where have you been?

Three. Do I even need to say more? My goals are clear as day for our server. There should be a buffer out of Lumbertown. Plain and simple. My points are true. Instance outsourcing and low player influx due to insane gank rape of new players will kill our server.

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You are simply pathetic. You talk about honor, but you receive high infamy, you cry in the city about simply fighting, yet you grasp onto it like its your only win you'll ever get. You walk around with one of the smallest guilds, but act like you are the best. You complain about a fair fight but yet you wanted to duel a level 55 while you are 60 with an enchanted day breaker. You fail at math, everytime you speak my size in the skirmish gets bigger and bigger. Make up your mind! We had an even force, with low levels, and those that were 60 didn't have enchanted daybreakers. Hell, anyone knows one slayer is OP, but you brought two. You puff your chest up all day long about your glorious victory where you ran like a [filtered] at the end when things got serious.

You see, we war'd you for fun. That was it. Because we knew you from before release and thought it would be funny. It wasn't serious at all. If it was, do you think I'd walk outside and let you two shot me? You only won because I let you get an easy 10 points, and you know it. You would of lost otherwise. The second I told my guys that enough playing around was enough and to fight you seriously, you lost and cried out of town with your "few against the many" rhetoric.

The fact is. You are a non-factor GM of a non-factor guild. You should stick to the 5 man PvE cause that is all you got right now. Maybe if you get yourself some numbers you can boast otherwise, but that is it. You aren't even worth really having a serious war against. Your guild is so small I'd have to scour behind every tree and rock in game to find you and I'd most likely find you hiding in a city. If we won the war, you'd cry "zerg!" and if I lost the war, you'd continue quoting "300" quotes with a raging hard on in your halfway role play jibberish. You aren't worth my time. So, please go on boasting your "glorious victory" all you want, but I am done giving you the time it doesn't deserve,

I am no longer going to reply to your taunts and just ignore you. You aren't worth the deceleration of war, even though I'd so greatly enjoy crushing you, you'd never give the chance. You'd probably resort to killing lowbies and hiding, and making up excuse about it while strutting around about honor and courage, lol. Such a joke.

Again, not going to reply to you anymore, anywhere. Have a great day.





((((Rite: So apparently, what I'm getting out of this message is... just because I run a small guild suddenly makes me a non-factor to the server. I don't believe this is true. Numbers does not equal quality in my books. Just because I've been closed recruiting since Open Beta, doesn't mean I'm suddenly a non factor.
I'm active every day, help people just for the act of kindness, suit my guildies up when they hit 60 so they can run dungeons right away to get their t12 and have a very positive demeanor.
Help me prove this guy wrong, by voting Rite in Lorcada.
I rely on your support, all of you in order to do great things. ))))
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Rite, I am not ashamed of anything I said to you and don't care if you want to make anything I said in private to you to the public like a coward. You do kill lowbies, you run from fights, you hide behind your halfway roleplay, and you don't know when to let things go. My PM to you was in response to public attacks and call outs towards me and my newly forged guild, over a guild war that was little more than a small skirmish that you ran from when things got serious. You talk a lot of hype.

I promote real PvP, not farming a bridge outside lumbertown one shotting people or trying to ask to duel level 55s when you are 60 with an enchanted daybreaker as some sort of reasonable request.

Anyways, my thoughts on smaller guilds are that in a game with PvP, you are going to be at a disadvantage. Small guilds are fine if they can work with other smaller guilds and can make alliances, otherwise, I think in an open world pvp, you will either be in it for 1) the thrill of fighting win or lose or 2) or to run and fight your battles another day or 3) avoid conflict all-together. Sadly, that is the reality of smaller guilds. I think my own guild is rather small, smaller than the larger guilds and we have to deal with these issues too.

Regardless, Rite, you are another topic and I already wished you luck on running for vanarch. As for what I said to you in private, it still stands, you aren't worth my time, you just don't get it. Just because you go around and fail at recruiting level 60s, because that is what you set your recruitment standards too, is your own problem. Smaller guilds who want to grow and make poor decisions and remain small is a leadership issue not a community one.
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Sarv on 05/25/2012, 03:20 PM - view
Rite, I am not ashamed of anything I said to you and don't care if you want to make anything I said in private to you to the public like a coward. You do kill lowbies, you run from fights, you hide behind your halfway roleplay, and you don't know when to let things go. My PM to you was in response to public attacks and call outs towards me and my newly forged guild, over a guild war that was little more than a small skirmish that you ran from when things got serious. You talk a lot of hype.

I promote real PvP, not farming a bridge outside lumbertown one shotting people or trying to ask to duel level 55s when you are 60 with an enchanted daybreaker as some sort of reasonable request.

Anyways, my thoughts on smaller guilds are that in a game with PvP, you are going to be at a disadvantage. Small guilds are fine if they can work with other smaller guilds and can make alliances, otherwise, I think in an open world pvp, you will either be in it for 1) the thrill of fighting win or lose or 2) or to run and fight your battles another day or 3) avoid conflict all-together. Sadly, that is the reality of smaller guilds. I think my own guild is rather small, smaller than the larger guilds and we have to deal with these issues too.

Regardless, Rite, you are another topic and I already wished you luck on running for vanarch. As for what I said to you in private, it still stands, you aren't worth my time, you just don't get it. Just because you go around and fail at recruiting level 60s, because that is what you set your recruitment standards too, is your own problem. Smaller guilds who want to grow and make poor decisions and remain small is a leadership issue not a community one.


Hey, guess what, games aren't being designed solely around who can amass the most numbers. Perhaps one day you'll update your MMO mindset to fit the current offerings, rather than focus on ZOMG ZERG SIEGE WOOT mindsets of yesterday's games.

Small guilds can, will be, and are effective in TERA, without having to rely on alliances for numbers. Additionally, organized PvP in TERA, thus far, has supported small guilds to a much larger degree than sizable guilds.

I'd highly suggest that you take the time to learn your PvP environment before attempting to speak about it.
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Sarv on 05/25/2012, 03:20 PM
Rite, I am not ashamed of anything I said to you and don't care if you want to make anything I said in private to you to the public like a coward. You do kill lowbies, you run from fights, you hide behind your halfway roleplay, and you don't know when to let things go. My PM to you was in response to public attacks and call outs towards me and my newly forged guild, over a guild war that was little more than a small skirmish that you ran from when things got serious. You talk a lot of hype.

I promote real PvP, not farming a bridge outside lumbertown one shotting people or trying to ask to duel level 55s when you are 60 with an enchanted daybreaker as some sort of reasonable request.

Anyways, my thoughts on smaller guilds are that in a game with PvP, you are going to be at a disadvantage. Small guilds are fine if they can work with other smaller guilds and can make alliances, otherwise, I think in an open world pvp, you will either be in it for 1) the thrill of fighting win or lose or 2) or to run and fight your battles another day or 3) avoid conflict all-together. Sadly, that is the reality of smaller guilds. I think my own guild is rather small, smaller than the larger guilds and we have to deal with these issues too.

Regardless, Rite, you are another topic and I already wished you luck on running for vanarch. As for what I said to you in private, it still stands, you aren't worth my time, you just don't get it. Just because you go around and fail at recruiting level 60s, because that is what you set your recruitment standards too, is your own problem. Smaller guilds who want to grow and make poor decisions and remain small is a leadership issue not a community one.


Hey, guess what, games aren't being designed solely around who can amass the most numbers. Perhaps one day you'll update your MMO mindset to fit the current offerings, rather than focus on ZOMG ZERG SIEGE WOOT mindsets of yesterday's games.

Small guilds can, will be, and are effective in TERA, without having to rely on alliances for numbers. Additionally, organized PvP in TERA, thus far, has supported small guilds to a much larger degree than sizable guilds.

I'd highly suggest that you take the time to learn your PvP environment before attempting to speak about it.


Cool reaction there. This game requires two things in PvP, bodies, and skill. When Rite brings out 3 people to fight a guild war, I don't care how skilled those players are, they aren't going to stand up to a guild who can muster up 15 or so people to face them. They will have to resort to either allying up to boost their numbers, resort to dirty tactics, or run. I don't consider a 15 man guild, huge, and I don't consider it a zerg either. You can go around and saying words like small guild, big guild, zerg guild, but you have your own numbers in your head. There is a limit when it comes to reality. If you were talking to me about 15 vs 30, there is a much better chance at winning with a coordinated skilled group of 15 going up against a zerg of 30, but to say a group of 3 has any chance against a real pvp situation against a guild that can bring even just a little bit more than that, face to face on the battlefield, is far fetched at best.

I have been in coordinated pvp groups in other MMOs that required target calling, this game is far more hectic then a target based MMO and requires far more skill than that, making it even harder for smaller guilds to stand up to larger ones who are equally as coordinated. No one likes to get zerged, but when your guild is big and you have people who come out to fight, you can't blame them.

If you think having a bigger guild equals they are zerg no matter what, then we differ on opinion even moreso. I don't consider my guild big at all, but to Rite, I am a zerg...