Quote: Dengar on 05/29/2012, 10:24 AM - view

I'm not really sure what i interesting about my post and your screenshot. I alluded to the fact that we discussed the event coordinator idea very clearly in my post.

Quote: Oloh

I'm not at all ashamed or trying to hide the fact that one of Nagafen's goals is to bring people that are passionate about server events into our ranks to lead them. I'm also not ashamed to admit that I am not the best at running them and that I need help if Nagafen is really to be a leader on the server in this regard.

In fact, thank you for posting the above. I hope it demonstrates to the people reading that the promises I am making for Arcadia are not empty. I sent a message to Dengar to see if he was interested in helping do the kind of events that Nagafen feels is appropriate. I sent messages to many other people as well. I am hoping the election turns out the way we want and, if it does, I want to be prepared to actually impliment the stuff that I promised. How can you fault me for that?


Quote: Dengar on 05/29/2012, 10:24 AM - view

I meant my post to be constructive because my first reaction to your in game e-mail and to several posts on the forums was that you feel like people that do not come to your events are not "community players." My thoughts are that you would get less trolls and negative reactions if you were conscious of the vibe you are sending off and took some steps to phrase things in a way that is less like an accusation.

As I told you when we chatted, it took me about 3 lines of text to realize you were extremely defensive. I even said at one point "I can already tell this converstation isn't going to go anywhere." You weren't rude or anything, but you send off an extremely defensive and insecure vibe that makes me want to not go to your events. I thought that knowing it would be of help if you wanted to have more engagement. That is all.

As for the chronoscrolls thing, that wasn't a bribe or payment or anything. I was just offering up that you can increase partipcation in events by giving out prizes. That should be obvious. I am not hurting for money and am committed enough to running events to be willing to fund prizes for winners. Although "win a PvP event to prove you can be Vanarch," is neat, I think you will get much more engagement if you say "win a free month subcription in our event." What is wrong with that?

Edited to add a new Note: CommonMan's response above was my exact initial response to your in game mail and your posts. I thought about it, though, and I realize that your heart is in the right place. Your presentation, however, leaves something to be desired and, thus, this post and why I labelled it constructive criticism. In chatting with other guild leaders, there are quite a few more that feel the same way. Take it for what it is worth.

All of the walls of text...all of them.

Simply put: you have no need to be defensive. I never approached you with anything but positive intentions, and all your interactions with me have been, "I got a problem, but you're still cool." I won't lie that I defend myself, but you constantly put me in a position where it's asked of me, much like your post here. If you think I'm defensive, allow me to change the subject and return to the original intent (feel free to start a thread and call me out if that's what you want to do):

This thread is looking for community support. It's been up for days and you've been personally invited in private, so here's a public one: would you like to help with an event this Friday?

Quote: Dengar on 05/29/2012, 11:09 AM - view

This is a great example. Community support? If you want people to "put their money where their mouth is," don't you think it is a little bit important for guilds to know what the event actually is and what you would like them to do?

I don't know if I want to help because I dont know what you need and dont know what the event is.

Quote: Dengar on 05/29/2012, 11:09 AM

He's defensive because of quotes like this and I don't blame him tbh. Seeing as his guild is in 2nd that places him as a "winning guild" that you're saying don't care about the community.

Quote: Dengar on 05/26/2012, 10:09 AM

I will tell you most people don't read area chat and most people don't read these forums or the BC forums. Heck, it's a challenge to get guildies to read guild forums. So getting the word out to players is not easy. Unless you personally PM guild leaders and officers, a lot of guilds aren't going to know you're trying to do these types of things. If people don't show up, you can't assume they don't want to come unless they have told you that specifically. Most people just already have other plans and didn't know about yours. I would just suggest a more friendly and open mindset and try not to assume other guilds are a bunch of selfish jerks. It's fine to dislike other guilds and it's fine to be unhappy that whoever you voted for isn't winning, but if you're going to put on community events with that attitude, you have to expect people will be offended by remarks like that and get defensive. Just saying. If you don't want conflict, don't be passive aggressive.

Again on the attack. No worries though, Oloh! Let me know if you decide to organize something, and I'll be sure to help promote it, and thanks for the free bumps =)

And for the record, here is what I would do with your initial response to not illicit negative reactions:

Quote: Dengar on 05/26/2012, 10:09 AM

Same message, but makes me not think you are a complete d-bag. Read the two posts and tell me if you agree.

Quote: Dengar on 05/29/2012, 11:25 AM - view

Same here, bud. I am coming to the Wednesday event as I mentioned in my other post. Not sure on this one until I understand a bit more about what it is about.

I didn't mention Nagafen, or any other guild, by name in that comment for a reason, Leiloni. I also try to make a habit of not doing this as a general practice, since it really sours the community. There were enough people out at the event and in area chat, LFG, and these forums that handle it.

However, you mentioned something very important: getting the word out there is hard! That's why guild leaders and/or their officers are given private messages about the events, and many have responded. I won't lie that I issued a public challenge, but the private ones don't do this, and I've even mentioned understanding some guilds' situations (such as hosting this on a Wednesday to help MF participate). I have been respectful to all the other guilds that've had to bow out, in private and public, and the replies I've received have been equally courteous.

I also know that some guilds have already won. It's hard to imagine that they'd want to come out and I know they'll be using the event's time to manage their district. Nagafen is one of those guilds and I don't fault them, since any failures on their part will be used against them in future elections. I simply added a challenge to guilds people expect more from. This week's event could use token support, as hinted at in the original thread that people are largely ignoring to talk politics. If people don't want to, their actions speak louder than words (which are helping bump the thread, but sadly detract from the original post).