I do not understand why people are making such a big deal over taxes. Vanarch candidates that rely on campaign promises of low tax rates look just as foolish to me as those of you who complain and base their votes mostly on the tax rates. Most of you are arguing over 1-4% difference to label some one a greedy Vanarch! Now granted 15% does seem a bit high however most of the taxes set do not bother me, in fact I barely notice they are there.

People should be more concerned with those using shady tactics to get votes and then neglect their provences or just flat out abandon them. I also would like to see a physical presence from the guild in charge of of the province wether it be farming, protecting/patrolling or just hanging out.

Being a Vanarch means being able to maintain these things during their reign and doing so effectively does cost in one way or another and yes TIME is money! I would rather pay a little extra for a valuable service or even more to compensate as a reward for doing a good job than deal with the inconvenience of a poorly run provence.

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Oh yeah, and you two. You guys sound like you have been sharing a bed for years! I would pay good money if you would just shut up already.


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Quote: Fatwa on 06/11/2012, 12:24 PM

Quote: Camio on 06/11/2012, 11:05 AM

Quote: Fatwa on 06/11/2012, 08:23 AM

Quote: Camio on 06/11/2012, 07:25 AM

You clearly stated "Talk all the crap you want abotu Die For Honor".

I ask, Where did I talk crap about DFH?

"To Die For Honor, even though you have left server for better PVP you guys have kept your zone functioning. From myself and those who agree, thank you for not completely abandoning us, and letting your zone go."

Does that statement look like crap-talking? No, It stats them leaving, and gives them props on maintaining their zone. How about you learn what crap-talking is? The statment was refering to MF and completely screwing their zone over. Maybe if you had half a brain you would be able to put 2 and 2 together.

So you can take the apology, you believe I owe you and shove it where the sun dont shine and learn your place TROLL!

1) I do not troll of the Official Forums.
2) I never once stated that you trash talked D4H.
3) I specifically separated the actions of Hakurai from Die For Honor because Die For Honor as a guild, left Hakurai behind on the server. They have not earned an ounce of credit for anything that has happened in the zone, Hakurai has. It's a very important distinction.
4) Since you clarified: Again, I never stated you talked crap about them. I separated D4H and Hakurai so people could talk crap about Die For Honor, without taking away from the overwhelming efforts made by Hakurai to keep his zone running.

So, again, unbunch your undies. You're being a soccer (football) player right now.

Well you responded to my post about DFH, no one else said anything. So its either, you were talking about me, or some other random post. If you were expecting people to talk crap, you should have clarified that in the beginning. I wish you had the intelligence to relay what you mean.

So because I ask a few questions and completely make your statement out to be of little value to my post I A) am a women and B)Play soccer. Well, I am fat and I while I have Moobs, I dont wear panties. Why dont you aviod my post from now on, until you can add some A)real thoughts B)intelligent thoughts and C) some input that means something.

I understand People get older and sometimes, using the internet is hard. But come on at least put in some effort when you reply.

Because when you attack me, I do the same back.

So, again if you cant add intelligent info to my posts, avoid them. If you cant relay your thoughts clearly, Avoid my post. And above all else, if you are not smart enough to make coherent thoughts, STAY AWAY FROM MY POST. You can by all means make your own and tell us how you feel. But please add take a little time out of your day and make intelligent post when replying to mine.

If you insist...I'll make it brief:

You made the following statement:

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To Die For Honor, even though you have left server for better PVP you guys have kept your zone functioning. From myself and those who agree, thank you for not completely abandoning us, and letting your zone go.

This is an erroneous statement, as Hakurai has not left the server, and Hakurai is the one doing 99.99% of the work required to keep the zone active (Only Vene assists, as do others outside of Die For Honor when they're available). Die For Honor, those who left the server, have nothing to do with the current state of the zone, and as such - deserve absolutely no credit for work they are not doing.

Utilizing that viewpoint, I worked to separate the actions of Hakurai from the 'guys' of Die For Honor who 'left the server', as they do not deserve any credit for the work he is doing.

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I'd like to point out that Hakurai doesn't have the support of a sizable guild for grinding out policy points like so many others do, yet he's keeping it up and running. Talk crap all you want about Die For Honor, but Hakurai is breaking his back to make the best of his situation.

You'll note that I begin by specifically using Hakurai and mention the lack of support they are currently receiving, and maintain the singular with 'he' not 'they'. I then follow up with a comment directed to anyone reading the thread, passively asking for acknowledgement of Hakurai's efforts to maintain the zone, while openly stating my own indifference to folks who post negatively about Die For Honor. I phrased it as I did, because certain folks on the forum believe I 'protect' Die For Honor.

I supplied the generic, because as someone who has been around forum communities for a very long time, especially this one, I understand how every person who reads the thread may not post, but they may still form views and opinions based on what they read. As such, a number of my responses are not solely for those actively involved in the thread.

I specifically stated in my direct responses to you, a number of times, that I was not calling you out for talking crap about Die For Honor, yet you continually returned to that point with defensive commentary. As a result, I included my bit about football/soccer players, as they flop around excessively like a victim even though they haven't been touched. A fitting connection given that you're flopping around as if I'm attacking you, without having been attacked at all.

If you refuse to clarify before flopping, perhaps you should re-evaluate your desires to post on a public forum. Lashing out at people who participate in various fashions within your threads does little to further the notion that you're a rational individual suitable to discuss things with. I, for one, am less inclined to involve and/or bump any thread you create from now on because of how unstable you've made yourself appear over the past few threads.

Personal attacks will get you nowhere, and those include labeling folks 'troll', attempting to attack their level of intelligence, and otherwise going after them in the methods you've supplied in your responses to me. My advice would be to carefully consider comments before responding, staying away from kneejerk reactions, and not posting if you're upset about what you read until you've had time to collect your thoughts and regulate your breathing.

Finally, while it's enlightening to know that you don't wear panties, I never mentioned them. I used the term 'undies'.

First off, Thank you for well put together statements.

Secondly, You are correct on the fact that not all of DFH has left. But, then again, neither has MF or Chaotica. They still have members in the guilds. So, you can argue both ways. They fact is most of the active player base from the 3 guilds have left server. So, neither one of us can argue one way or the other.

Out of the three guilds, DFH is the only guild actively keeping the zone functioning. I will point out that not too long ago a thread was made about DFH leaving, I don't know what came out of it, but at one point I remember Dev saying they were going to stay. However, it doesn't matter. What matters is that DFH is keeping their zone running. Can you tell me that Hakurai isn't leaving server after elections are done and maybe the few remaining members are here for well maintaining the reputation of the guild? Only Hak could say true or nay.

As it stand he is doing a great job with his zone. But so are other guilds. What do you know about Ravenwood? How many active 60's were around at the start of the elections? For the most part they have kept their zone functioning as well. Bunny Girlz? See them in huge numbers? My point is this, guilds are actively keeping zones Up to par except a few. All of the guilds still have members in them even if they left server, or are planning to. Malum Factum has 60's still in the guild. Yet most have left. However, I will bet Pimsley has created an alt on VoT. So....All guilds are still on the server for a few weeks. and just because the guild isn't filled doesn't mean the GM can not go and kill his Vanarch quest. Hence, Hak keeping his zone alive.

No one was talking bad about Die for Honor until you said anything. It is a mute point. Well people reading this post, would note, that I gave credit to Die for Honor. So again, No one started saying anything bad about them.

You are keeping to your guns about me being defensive, yet, look at it from my point. No where in my post did I mention DFH in a negative light. not until this post did you explain your point of view. And that was only after I had to say something about it. Sometimes, pre posting for negative attention can get a negative response. Hence my negativity towards your posts. In the future try to relay positive info to start and then when someone starts in with negative things, people will back you.

Honestly, Thank you for avoiding my threads. I don't require people to bump them. I got my word out and honestly, that's all I wanted to do. No one else has started posting how they feel about the current stat of GMs or guilds that are holding the Vanarch positions. Only after my post, do others start. If you don't like my reactions on my post you are welcome to avoid them. However, sometimes my info might be valid, others maybe not.

Personal attacks sometimes allow people to see issues. IE your ability to post rational comments. When you type or response and your response has the intellect of a 12 yr old, I will treat you as such. However, after the past response, you have proved you have intelligence. Being calm and being angry, i still wouldn't have responded any differently.

I am not afraid to admit when I am in the wrong. However, I was not in the wrong about my point. I was in the wrong about your intelligence level. So Fatwa, I am sorry to have belittled you.

You should be apologizing for me pointing out where you debased yourself, not for your attempts at personally attacking me. However, that is neither here nor there, because it's apparent by your responses that you're apparently too stubborn to shift out of your current viewpoint. So, in summary, you're apparently either afraid to admit when you're wrong, or just plain unwilling to believe that you're wrong to begin with and therefore never willing to do so.

Quote: VysethHunter on 06/11/2012, 01:13 PM

Oh yeah, and you two. You guys sound like you have been sharing a bed for years! I would pay good money if you would just shut up already.


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I would pay good money, for you to roleplay jumping off a cliff IRL!

Quote: Camio on 06/11/2012, 01:16 PM

Quote: VysethHunter on 06/11/2012, 01:13 PM

Oh yeah, and you two. You guys sound like you have been sharing a bed for years! I would pay good money if you would just shut up already.


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I would pay good money, for you to roleplay jumping off a cliff IRL!

No! I will not be dragged into your lovers quarrell.

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Quote: Fatwa on 06/11/2012, 01:16 PM

You should be apologizing for me pointing out where you debased yourself, not for your attempts at personally attacking me. However, that is neither here nor there, because it's apparent by your responses that you're apparently too stubborn to shift out of your current viewpoint. So, in summary, you're apparently either afraid to admit when you're wrong, or just plain unwilling to believe that you're wrong to begin with and therefore never willing to do so.

You keep pushing, and honestly seems to me like trolling.

Honestly, any guild that puts taxes above 1% is greedy and does not deserve the vanarch position *Especially in a lvl 60 zone*. I know it costs 3000 gold just to run, and many use this as an excuse to up the tax rate to break even. It is not hard to scrape up 3k gold, even if your guild only has 10 active members. Your entire guild gets that shiny flashy mount, and you get your guild emblem flashed across peoples screen whenever they run around YOUR zone. That in itself is worth the 3k entrance fee. I understand that some guilds run events, and prizes can be costly, but deal with it. If you said you would run events in your province, then do it. You didn't have to promise to do that and are under no obligation to, so don't pass the fees onto people who are traveling through your zone.

If you promise 1% tax, then you stand a chance of winning my vote.

Secondly, You are correct on the fact that not all of DFH has left. But, then again, neither has MF or Chaotica. They still have members in the guilds. So, you can argue both ways. They fact is most of the active player base from the 3 guilds have left server. So, neither one of us can argue one way or the other.