Quote: VysethHunter on 06/11/2012, 01:00 PM

I do not understand why people are making such a big deal over taxes. Vanarch candidates that rely on campaign promises of low tax rates look just as foolish to me as those of you who complain and base their votes mostly on the tax rates. Most of you are arguing over 1-4% difference to label some one a greedy Vanarch! Now granted 15% does seem a bit high however most of the taxes set do not bother me, in fact I barely notice they are there.

People should be more concerned with those using shady tactics to get votes and then neglect their provences or just flat out abandon them. I also would like to see a physical presence from the guild in charge of of the province wether it be farming, protecting/patrolling or just hanging out.

Being a Vanarch means being able to maintain these things during their reign and doing so effectively does cost in one way or another and yes TIME is money! I would rather pay a little extra for a valuable service or even more to compensate as a reward for doing a good job than deal with the inconvenience of a poorly run provence.

-V

I happen to agree with you about taxes. Us at 60 understand the tax rates are meaningless. However, it means a lot to lvl 40ish and below. They don't have the income rate we do, however they also don't have the outgoing expenses either.

Taxes weren't something I mentioned heavily. The zones being abandoned are a big issue. However, with the next election and the Server transfers going to 7 days, I can see Server vote-swapping going out the window. However, If they still do it, I can see Enmasse raising the transfer rate to 2 weeks or a month.

We just have to find the GM's Willing to work a little and not hop ship. I am sure new Vanarchs this time around with do better than some and maybe worse than others. However, Since you mentioned "Time is money". You cant worry about Time if you aren't worried about Taxes! just saying.
Taxes=money
Time=money
Time+Taxes = money
Money = Time = Taxes, Now only if we could get money for sleeping.

Well to be fair, DFH and MF left the server as a guild to start new on a different server. Chaotica did not. They just had a lot of people leave for varying reasons and go in different directions. Three that I know of left to go to Feral Valley, for all I know there may be others that left for other servers, many are in other guilds on this server, etc. It was not a cohesive move to restart somewhere else.

Nothing is for free. I still do not feel a moderate tax rate for a well run province is unreasonable. 1-7% I really don't care about and would not ask questions. I would really like to hear from an actual Vanarch that effectively runs the province well to hear their opinion on the situation.


-V

Quote: Leiloni on 06/11/2012, 01:28 PM

Well to be fair, DFH and MF left the server as a guild to start new on a different server. Chaotica did not. They just had a lot of people leave for varying reasons and go in different directions. Three that I know of left to go to Feral Valley, for all I know there may be others that left for other servers, many are in other guilds on this server, etc. It was not a cohesive move to restart somewhere else.

thank you for the update. Info I was wrong about. Still doesnt explain why they havent attempted at turning on stores and what not. Or at least making an attempt every few days.

People wanting specialty store and special cleric on isle of dawn...just sigh...

If I still cared about this game, and I was in Hakurai's position, I'd do the same thing to keep my zone running, except for 2 things.

1 - No one needs specialty store and special cleric on isle of dawn
2 - I'm pretty much out of this game.

If I was Vanarch of a 60 zone, and planned on quitting the game, I'd probably still grind the quests to keep things running. I'm actually happy I got isle of dawn, because it's the one zone that has 0 reason for those two things.

There was a point where Chaotica had become a much smaller guild. After we lost all the elisits, crybabys and loot [filtered]s, I had a lot more fun with the guild. In the end, it wasn't enough, as this game sapped the fun from me. Everyone I knew and trusted to run the guild in case of me quitting, unluckily enough had already quit. At that point I'd rather have my members join other active guilds, so for the people that actually like this game and want to continue playing, they can do so with an active guild.

And as a side note...like...seriously. Anyone complaining about 15% taxes on isle of dawn...just shut up.

Quote: VysethHunter on 06/11/2012, 01:31 PM

Nothing is for free. I still do not feel a moderate tax rate for a well run province is unreasonable. 1-7% I really don't care about and would not ask questions. I would really like to hear from an actual Vanarch that effectively runs the province well to hear their opinion on the situation.


-V

Good point. However, when most Gm's are keeping the taxes at under 2% and a few are raising them to 5%. New Vanarch-to-be have a stronger chance with a campaign on lower taxes. The Vanarch thing would be a good new post. But at 1% if you are bringing in near 150g a day you will re-coup the money you spent to be vanarch. So, the question is, would the Current Vanarchs run again if they lost money? If so, why arent they posting the daily amount the received for everyone to see. This would be a good indicator of what fair taxes would be in each zone.