No pvp in Basilisk Crag

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Slubber on 07/09/2012, 05:35 PM - view
VysethHunter on 07/09/2012, 04:42 PM
Leiloni on 07/09/2012, 04:06 PM
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VysethHunter on 07/09/2012, 12:58 PM
I still don't see these "skills" that these zerg videos are supposed to show. Can anyone explain?

-V


There's this thing called "fun" we're having, you should try it. ;)


Zerging is not fun.


I agree. I prefer fun.


There's multiple ways to have fun, I find any form of PvP fun, whether it's 1v1, 5v5, 10v10 or 100v100, it's all fun, it all requires some skill/communication and it's what I like doing, cry zerg all you want, but we have fun doing zerg vs zergs, well also do some 5v5s if you really want.


No worries. I have no problem with open world PVP when doing dailies. If you see me. Flag and attack me. I really have no personal problems with any particular members in these zerg guilds. And It is not like I have not seen my share of large battles over the many years I have played MMO's. It is just as little fun to me to be the zerger and it is to be the zergee. Have a 2v1ed someone? Yes. Have a group of 3 or more Hunters attacked and killed a party less in number before? Sure we have. We just don't toot our own horns over it. Then again I really don't brag about my wins in fair fights or fights against greater odds either. ( But I will respond to the QQ about it.) There are many sore winners as much there are sore losers in this game and in the end it is just PVP and there are no hard feelings coming from my end.

As for these zerg fights ;I just don't find them entertaining or fun and these videos are just as boring as the fights them selves. Too much. Too big starts to become too boring and your "skills" seem to diminish over such a large scale and it basically becomes a laggy boring AOE of damage and heals and does not allow much room for a clear demonstration of the PVP prowess that I see so many people claiming that they are showing in these vids. And when I find members of these zerg guilds on my own more times than not it seems that their skills tend to not be as great as they claim.

If you are a zerg guild and you like those large battles and you have fun with it, hey; more power to you. But don't try to pretend you are something you are not. Instead try to embrace it like I have seen some of you do. But most times what happens is every time I kill one from these guilds I can almost guarantee they will bring a bunch of their guild to come kill me. No big deal. Its a PVP server. But the badmouthing and trash talk when I have to retreat or get killed by the overwhelming odds just makes not only the player look dumb but the whole guild as well. What it shows is that many of the same people that claim to be good when they zerg really are not as good as they claim to be.

You don't have to take my word for it as I watch this happen all day long when I am out doing my thing. I understand that there are a lot of complainers on this server that cry zerg every time they lose. To be honest I think they would cry about anything when they lose. But a majority of the time it is pretty much the same scenario as I described in the paragraph above. Just different player, different day.

Now I will wrap up my original point with a few examples I found right here from the forums to illustrate what I find fun and entertaining.

Even though I find this player to be a huge chuckle head and a complainer in game I did like this video. Yes I can see that it is a 1v3 and two of the three look to be sub 60. But there are three of them and a BAM that aggros on to him during the fight. But all of that does not matter. Because the video keeps my attention and it entertaining to watch. Yes he does cry a lot in game but I have fought him before and he can hold his own pretty well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG7FI_HAvws&feature=related

Another one is from a local archer that I actually die to in the video. ( Sorry kids if I knew I was on camera I would have done better) But watching this video ( and from personal experience) you get a demonstration of actual skill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwb4_dGyj28&hd=1

To keep your audience interested in what they are watching they have to be able to project them selves into the scene. Now yes this guild has grown recently but the experience I have had with their core base has led me to believe that they know what they are doing on an individual basis. I think twice before attacking even one of them and as of now I have a bit more respect for Quixotic as a whole than I do one of these cookie cutter zerg guilds.

-V
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VysethHunter on 07/09/2012, 08:51 PM - view

If you are a zerg guild and you like those large battles and you have fun with it, hey; more power to you. But don't try to pretend you are something you are not. Instead try to embrace it like I have seen some of you do. But most times what happens is every time I kill one from these guilds I can almost guarantee they will bring a bunch of their guild to come kill me. No big deal. Its a PVP server. But the badmouthing and trash talk when I have to retreat or get killed by the overwhelming odds just makes not only the player look dumb but the whole guild as well. What it shows is that many of the same people that claim to be good when they zerg really are not as good as they claim to be.



This is exactly what has caused me to come to these forums to QQ in the past, I hate that [filtered] and it happens to me all the time. There's people in Divine, Nagafen and even RP that do what you describe all the time and I hate it, but it's going to happen.

Honestly I don't brag about zerg victories, I don't claim it takes a lot of skill, it requires coordination more than anything.

I'd like to post some GvG from my own perspective so you can see a little more involvement on an individual level to see it's not just spamming skills, but my internet connection is awful, my videos are just for myself at this point.

Also linking the Kero video as if I haven't seen it, don't worry i'm in RP, I've seen it, yeah it's entertaining and you can ask Kero yourself, he'll tell you I can hold my own pretty well, he even took a page from my books. ;)

I've also fought Darxtar many times and watched the video, I too think twice before attacking most of Quixotic and I agree they are a great PvP guild.

I'd also like to mention gear is half of it and skill is the other half, there's a lot of members in these "zerg" guilds that aren't geared out, they are going to run because they know they'll lose to someone with a glowing weapon, don't call us bad just because we have undergeared players, not everyone has the time or desire to farm instances or god forbid the laggy Nexus.
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Slubber on 07/09/2012, 08:35 PM - view
Fatwa on 07/09/2012, 07:38 PM
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And no, it's not sitting just outside town doing a DM, or ganking people 5v2. You played beta. If you played on a PvP server, you likely saw 5-man groups fighting 5-man groups, especially if you were on Jagged Coast during the beta - which is where Leiloni and I were. There is even footage of the types of encounters we'd have floating around these forums.



I think you fail to realize that was because we had no gear grind, 2x the people and 1/3rd the world size. There were people everywhere with nothing to do, you could go to oblivion woods and see someone on almost every basilisk.

That's not going to happen again, no matter how much you or I want it to.

When you get 5 people together to go PvP'ing and you run around for 20 minutes to find one or two people doing dailies...you just aren't going to hold those five peoples interest for long, they'll want to go grind something. It even happened today when I tried to get PvP going and I had to log out in frustration because of it, hence why I am posting on the forums.


When you get 40+ people together to go PvPing, and you run around for 20 minutes to find a handful of people who flee in terror, you aren't going to hold the interest of that guild for very long.

See: The guilds who left the server early

As a whole, the large guilds wanted to get all decked out in gear before attempting anything. We get it. And yes, I see the post above this, hence the 'as a whole'.
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Fatwa on 07/09/2012, 09:06 PM - view


As a whole, the large guilds wanted to get all decked out in gear before attempting anything. We get it.


It's weird that the large guilds are the least geared then isn't it... and we bring random ilvl 138s to fights then get rolled and get called bad by guilds all with full PvP gear.

I don't see your point, I really don't. Hell we brought a 59 healer to a fight with Quixotic yesterday.

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Slubber on 07/09/2012, 08:46 PM - view
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If you had Fun yesterday it was because Reckless, Quixotic, and Gallowglass, three smaller Guilds, threw in as PvP wild-cards and distracted you from all that PvE Nexus grind.


Nah, we were going to assault Divine, Nagafen and Terrarist the whole time anyways, you guys just made it more... interesting and harder to organize lol.

Overall it was fun though and i'd like to see more large scale(and small scale) PvP in the future.


Well so much for your good intentions, but it was a non-factor for us. Also we hold no responsibility for how you organize, so eat your own dog food on that one. A two sided power struggle gets boring, three side makes it interesting

How ever I agree wholeheartedly with more PvP and less grind.
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Ratsnacker on 07/09/2012, 09:08 PM - view
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If you had Fun yesterday it was because Reckless, Quixotic, and Gallowglass, three smaller Guilds, threw in as PvP wild-cards and distracted you from all that PvE Nexus grind.


Nah, we were going to assault Divine, Nagafen and Terrarist the whole time anyways, you guys just made it more... interesting and harder to organize lol.

Overall it was fun though and i'd like to see more large scale(and small scale) PvP in the future.


Well so much for your good intentions, but it was a non-factor for us. Also we hold no responsibility for how you organize, so eat your own dog food on that one. A two sided power struggle gets boring, three side makes it interesting

How ever I agree wholeheartedly with more PvP and less grind.


What I meant by that was we were going to charge them before they charged us, but then you guys got involved.

Because usually they surprise us and we get rolled hard.
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Slubber on 07/09/2012, 09:07 PM - view
Fatwa on 07/09/2012, 09:06 PM


As a whole, the large guilds wanted to get all decked out in gear before attempting anything. We get it.


It's weird that the large guilds are the least geared then isn't it... and we bring random ilvl 138s to fights then get rolled and get called bad by guilds all with full PvP gear.

I don't see your point, I really don't. Hell we brought a 59 healer to a fight with Quixotic yesterday.


As a whole = generalization.

Do you have a core group of players who geared themselves out heavily in your 'zerg'? More than likely. Were they active upon hitting 60? Very unlikely. PvPing the large guilds currently patting themselves on the back when we all first hit 60 was like pulling teeth on a disagreeable child. Lots of talking, lots of fussing, little action. There is a reason a number of guilds were extremely disappointed in the server when the masses hit 60.
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Fatwa on 07/09/2012, 09:11 PM - view
Slubber on 07/09/2012, 09:07 PM
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As a whole, the large guilds wanted to get all decked out in gear before attempting anything. We get it.


It's weird that the large guilds are the least geared then isn't it... and we bring random ilvl 138s to fights then get rolled and get called bad by guilds all with full PvP gear.

I don't see your point, I really don't. Hell we brought a 59 healer to a fight with Quixotic yesterday.


As a whole = generalization.

Do you have a core group of players who geared themselves out heavily in your 'zerg'? More than likely. Were they active upon hitting 60?


RP still doesn't have a single core group... and we don't even do a lot of instances, I think only two guild members have even done a hardmode.

We're going to start doing them soon though... although at this point none of us really want to run instances, more interested in PvP.

Edit: Fatwa if you want to find the guilds who have core groups gearing themselves out all day, you should look towards some of those perfect smaller guilds, the ones with all the t13s. No disrespect towards them, they can do what they like, just making a point.

Edited by: Slubber 10 months ago
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Lol fatwa and his assumptions. So smart yet so dumb.........
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Slubber on 07/09/2012, 09:09 PM - view
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Slubber on 07/09/2012, 08:46 PM
Ratsnacker on 07/09/2012, 08:41 PM

If you had Fun yesterday it was because Reckless, Quixotic, and Gallowglass, three smaller Guilds, threw in as PvP wild-cards and distracted you from all that PvE Nexus grind.


Nah, we were going to assault Divine, Nagafen and Terrarist the whole time anyways, you guys just made it more... interesting and harder to organize lol.

Overall it was fun though and i'd like to see more large scale(and small scale) PvP in the future.


Well so much for your good intentions, but it was a non-factor for us. Also we hold no responsibility for how you organize, so eat your own dog food on that one. A two sided power struggle gets boring, three side makes it interesting

How ever I agree wholeheartedly with more PvP and less grind.


What I meant by that was we were going to charge them before they charged us, but then you guys got involved.

Because usually they surprise us and we get rolled hard.


I see, well I hope you planted one in their backside while they were busy with us, now ya know it could be a three way fight.