AZA Why are you Zerg Recruiting?

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Oh right, because you can't ever change your votes once you vote for someone once.
What's the worst that happens in this doomsday prophecy of yours?
They get 15 guilds to somehow be in control of the entire world of TERA?
As of the moment I write this, there are 1,530 guilds on the server.
Of course I'm sure alot of them aren't "zerg" guilds with 300 members, but even if they only have 50-100, that's still alot of people.
Lets make this even easier and say they have a couple of alts as well.
You're telling me that 15 guilds will somehow gain control of every continent every month?
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Even if they pull in more guilds into their alliance, what would be in it for the other guilds?
Obviously not a vanarchy.
Is a Vanarchy that prestigious to you?
It just looks like more of a hassle to me.
Keep your 10% movement speed while mounted.
As for the part of you being in AZA, well; any respect for them drops with every passing post, but this just sunk it even further.
Lord, trying to get someone to sign some contract and get a GM to ban him if he breaks it.
I'm sure monkeys flinging feces at each other would be a cleaner dispute than the one you're trying so hard to force.
I was under the impression both sides were being stupid, but I'm starting to see the scale tip heavily.
Anyway, I've said my piece.
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Out of that entire troll post, only a tiny portion is actually relevant to the discussion at hand, so I'll answer that. Currently, out of the 14 zones poised to to be filled (the 15th has no one running) Spectre currently stands to win 8 of them (unless some of those guilds have left the alliance and I am not aware of it.) Yes, people can change their votes next election, but who will be left to run against them? How many smaller guilds are going to risk throwing away 3k gold when they have little chance of beating Spectre? Already there aren't enough candidates running in North Shara to even fill all the slots. Additionally, this forum is full of posts from people who are so sick of the political bs, in addition to all the other infuriating things wrong with the game, that they are leaving in droves. What happens when so many small guilds have lost too many players to complete vanarchy goals, even if they were able to beat Spectre?

Look, I have said it all along. I have no problem with Spectre, they can play the game however they want and so far, they're playing pretty smart. But they have publicly stated that they have some plans that will negatively impact game play, and we are just offering a different alternative in case you disagree with their plans.
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Oh, and rude, trolling comments and name calling are not adding anything substantive to the discussion, so I don't know why you're doing it unless you're just trying to be rude because it makes you feel better about yourself. If you can't have an adult discussion without behaving like that, no one is going to respond to you anymore. So you might as well stop posting if that's the case, because you're wasting our time and your own.
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Daedrynn on 06/19/2012, 10:35 PM - view

But they have publicly stated that they have some plans that will negatively impact game play, and we are just offering a different alternative in case you disagree with their plans.


Please link these plans that are available to the public, as you say. I keep hearing of all these devious plans to do this and that. So far I've seen 1% taxes in all zones, and nice events with some big money involved.

lol.
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We have carefully compiled a document with all the links to the the quotes I'm speaking of. It is posted in the thread called Aza Facts and Fiction. That particular part I'm referring to in my last post is listed under Q2.
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Just for the curious, this is Valentio's response to taxes;

Q: 2. Is SPECTRE alliance planning to raise taxes?
A: Nope, all Guild that are at 1% in the SPECTRE alliance wish to remain 1%, and to serve the Dragonfall community.
Note: Saying SPECTRE will raise taxes without evidence is like saying "If Putin wins re-election, he is going to raise Taxes for the Russians. I have no proof, but I know they will do it". Silly.


I shouldn't really respond to this Fox News bull[filtered], but I figured this thread needed all the info, and not cropped/chopped out-of-context quotes.

Obviously the above quote can be found here. Along witih any other answers you might be seeking. It seems your ignorance runs deep.

That's what I consider publicly available information with a linked source.
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Lol, did you not even read the post I just sent you to?? You ask me for proof, I give you indisputable proof and you don't even read it. It posts the Exact quote you just mentioned along with a post proving that very same post was a lie. And we even linked all the sources, which you're now claiming we didnt, but its the exact same link you just provided. Lol! You are proving to be even more ridiculous than I originally thought. You're accusing me of being a Fox News, when you just posted a quote as fact that has already been proven to be a lie. Keep digging, Lolwut, you're making your team's hole a whole lot deeper. You guys really just need to give up. Ever since we posted proof, no one has been able to refute an ounce of it, and no one with any authority has even tried. Now all you guys do is post uninformed garbage that makes you look foolish, and call names which makes you look immature. Just stop. Valentio said his piece, we said ours, it's over. Let the people decide.
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Just for the curious (or people like Lolwut who would rather start tossing around fake facts than actually bother to read) here's the post I was talking about where the founder of Spectre refutes Valentio's claim about taxes with the truth about Spectre's plans. Her quote has been posted in many threads now, and not one single official from Spectre has even tried to explain it.

Aleniari on 06/17/2012, 04:08 AM
Valentio on 06/16/2012, 11:09 PM
In the past few days since election, there had been massive amount of defamation attempts, lies, and general mud-sling by AZA members toward the SPECTRE alliance.

At this point, its been 3 days. Has any AZA member provide any evidence to support their claim? No.

To clear up the misunderstanding and as the new Head of Alliance since NMTC and Bianca (from NMTC who created SPECTRE, the previous head of the Alliance) can no longer be in SPECTRE due to real life issues, I, Valentio will be posting the inside news and facts from SPECTRE.

Q: 2. Is SPECTRE alliance planning to raise taxes?
A: Nope, all Guild that are at 1% in the SPECTRE alliance wish to remain 1%, and to serve the Dragonfall community.
Note: Saying SPECTRE will raise taxes without evidence is like saying "If Putin wins re-election, he is going to raise Taxes for the Russians. I have no proof, but I know they will do it". Silly.


Okay then - Let me provide an answer for this since this is an issue for everyone apparently.

YES - It has been on talks during SPECTRE meetings, that the taxes should be raised from the swinging 3-7% in appropriate zones - IF it was possible to make the community realize and be okay with this.

How it was going to play out was: As soon as the entire alliance ruled a continent, we could do with it pretty much what 'we wanted to'. In short saying: Even if the community didn't like the idea, we could still do it.

NOTE: Please EVERYONE - Do take note of the ' IF's ' In this reply - I'm not looking to hang out anyone here, I'm just clarifying.
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NoThx on 06/19/2012, 10:08 PM - view
Oh right, because you can't ever change your votes once you vote for someone once.
What's the worst that happens in this doomsday prophecy of yours?
They get 15 guilds to somehow be in control of the entire world of TERA?
As of the moment I write this, there are 1,530 guilds on the server.
Of course I'm sure alot of them aren't "zerg" guilds with 300 members, but even if they only have 50-100, that's still alot of people.
Lets make this even easier and say they have a couple of alts as well.
You're telling me that 15 guilds will somehow gain control of every continent every month?


I found some more info that answers your question, so I thought I would share it with you. During the last election, there were over 2,200 guilds on our server, that has dwindled down to 1,530 and a huge portion of those appear to be alt or banker guilds with less than 20 members. Any guild under rank 3 and without at least 5 active level 60's isn't even viable in the vanarchy system, so that removes a lot of them. So the number of guilds who could even run for vanarchy is much smaller then last election.

Last vanarchy, there were 37 guilds running, now that number is down to 22, and one continent only has 4. If you go here http://tera.enmasse.com/data/elections you can see the percentage of total votes that each candidate holds. As of this writing, Spectre holds 8 of the 14 spots and the top guild in each zone is a Spectre guild, by a wide margin. For example, in Arun, Something Terrible has 48% of the votes, waaaayyy more than the other candidates in the top 5 combined. How long do you think it will take for all those unallied guilds to realize that pulling only 2 or 3% of the votes can never beat Spectre, and stop wasting their money/time?

For you to say that it's unreasonable for the Aza to assert that Spectre could drive everyone else out and end up owning the whole map is...well, naive at best. And they have already said (see quotes above) that that is the plan they have discussed, and when they control a whole zone, they "can do whatever they want, whether the people like it or not." And if all the other guilds have given up trying, who is to stop them?

You act like you hate that the Aza is here, but unless you're a member of Spectre, that makes no sense. You should be glad there is a second party who is at least trying to keep it an honest democracy.

And one more thing...this is coming soon.

http://tera-forums.enmasse.com/forums/news-announcements/topics/Updates-to-TERAs-Political-System?page=1

And when it does, all those people who said there's no such thing as a zerg guild on a Pve server, will be eating crow. They can zerg, if they're smart they will zerg, and then they'll win all the provinces with the popular vote and all the ones with the Gvg "vote." And then I will stand back and laugh at all the people in the Enclave thread who laughed and called me a moron because I said that zerging here was possible.
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