Quote: Daedrynn on 06/20/2012, 03:27 AM - view

I think it's something more akin to people sick of having to put up with the same tired arguments. It seems like the AZA is trying to create an atmosphere of paranoia. I mean look at this subforum. I could pretty much the AZA alliance's platform as: "A vote for SPECTRE is a vote for the Dragonfall's doom." It might work better if this energy was shifted to create a positive platform instead of trying to recreate the Cold War scare on this server.

I appreciate your pov and that your response is not rude or trolling. All I can say is, I'm not paranoid, or alarmist or trying to encite a panic. The numbers don't lie. Spectre is capable, in organization, wit and sheer numbers, of taking over. I greatly admire what they'be been able to create and I have nothing against them, I just don't agree with some of their plans. They have said that it is their intention to try to rule one or more whole continents and frankly, they'd be foolish not to try, given the current climate. So anyone who buries their head in the sand and says that can't or won't happn, is either a fool, or one of them. It can happen, and it will if we let it. I really, strongly encourage some smaller guilds to start forming alliances with some of the guilds that just moved to the server. More competition could be a really good thing.

Quote: lolwat on 06/20/2012, 01:35 AM - view

Ah, yes, another nameless shill. What's your in game name, I wonder?

I like how you neglected to mention the part where Valentio refused to sign a contract that confirms his promise because this...

"Q: 2. Is SPECTRE alliance planning to raise taxes?
A: Nope, all Guild that are at 1% in the SPECTRE alliance wish to remain 1%, and to serve the Dragonfall community."

...doesn't actually promise ANYTHING at ALL.

Oh, they "WISH" to remain at 1%, do they? And if their "wishes" change, they can jack up the taxes with a clear conscious.

Quote: Gherkinsa on 06/20/2012, 04:46 AM

1. If they don't like the threads, they don't have to click them.

2. So basically, you'd rather reenact this scene...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLlUgilKqms

...With Dragonfall being the guard and spectre being the steamroller?

Really, we know it's coming. What part of that can you people not get through your heads? Guilds who met with spectre were told that the plan was to take over and raise taxes.

Rather than sit on our collective butts, a number of guilds decided to do something about that.

Or would you rather the server just stand there and get flattened?

Amazing how you guys managed to turn this thread into another anti-spectre thread. hey Jellad, perhaps you guys should change your alliance name to ASA Anti-Spectre Alliance.

I'll come right out and say that I'm a member of Passion, but i'm not here to protect Valentio, Passion or Spectre. In fact, I don't give a rats [filtered] who wins the elections. Winning a province does absolutely nothing for me and i'm pretty darn sure the majority of the server feels this way also.

But take a step back from yourselves and read these threads as an outsider as I have done. When is AZA going to be forming up together to make an event for our server? If Valentio raised taxes in Bastion to 7%, guess what, I'd go to another province to buy my items. Just like everyone else on the server would do. But in the meantime all this senseless bashing needs to stop, Passion has never raised their taxes, if they do, then you can complain. Right now you have no reason to.

BTW, if I wasn't in a guild right now, I wouldn't join any guild from Spectre or AZA due to all this BS drama. Get your priorities straightened out. Don't focus on what others are doing, focus on what you can do to make the server better!

I'm just a lancer in Something Terable, and I'm positive we have absolutely no plans to raise taxes and take over the Tera world.
Girl and our group of friends do HM's and dungeon together everyday, and we spend most of our time just fooling around and playing the game.
Girl repeatedly goes afk in dungeons to make time for people with questions or comments in whispers,
So much so that it's become an ongoing joke for us.
If you check the vanarchy statement, you can see that if Girl had her way, taxes would be at 0%.
I'm not sure why you take NMTC's word as irrefutable proof that everyone in the alliance is going to jack up prices once we "control" everything.
If guilds in the alliance do it, fine, go shop somewhere else.
I'd probably give Girl a hard time (as would other members) if she jacked up taxes.
In case you didn't know, guild members need supplies too.
You'd be screwing your own guildies as well as the community with high taxes.
I'm pretty sure no one in our guild would simply sit back with taxes at high rates.
Most of us are broke from enchanting.

As you can see, knights of velika or whatever do their own thing with their own tax rates.
This is a game.
We don't dictate how others play, because quite frankly we have no right to.
I understand that it's inconvenient when you don't have vanarchy shops or trainers, as I've raged at it while leveling my alts as well.
But they were guilds not in either alliance.
I have nothing against AZA guild members, and in fact when I do IMS into a group of them, this whole thread is a joke that most of us can laugh about and break the ice.

But honestly, this thing needs to stop.
You guys have done your part with 1% taxes and full uptime on shops/trainers.
So have we.
Your scenario of us taking over and doing whatever we want is not happening.
Just take a look at the election results.
NMTC is still in first place without the alliance.
In fact, Believe (which is in our alliance) is in 2nd place.
That should be enough proof that the community has more voting power than our alliance.
The fact that Girl has 37%+ votes in the continent with the most running guilds just goes to show that she's done a good job.
If your accusations that the alliance could take over every poll had any merit at all to it, wouldn't the votes be the same across the board?

Personally, I don't care about the alliance.
I'm a relatively casual player.
I don't even do dailies.
I do some ToT runs, some FoK/BT runs and maybe a HM FoK run.
Other than that, I afk, chat with friends or level an alt.
I don't care about the extra movement speed on my mount.
Just let it die already.
I'm sure I'm not the only one that's sick of these posts and would rather just play the game.
If you really want better standings in polls, try doing what Girl did.
Run your area quietly, stay out of the drama and just be friendly with the people who talk to you.

Actually, don't do what Girl did.
She used 8K policy points once by misclicking "Change" instead of "Extend" like 10 times.
Had to cancel dinner plans with friends to go farm sloths for 2 hours to make up for the mistake, lawl.

Quote: xFervid on 06/20/2012, 06:42 AM - view

It was the original poster that went ahead and turned it into a AZA vs SPECTRE thread. Re-read the post, it is designed directly to put SPECTRE in a better light then AZA.

As for as all the bashing going on, every little bit that I have seen so far initially started with SPECTRE saying that AZA said blah blah and blah about SPECTRE. I havn't seen anything that would resemble AZA starting any of this.

To that, the original poster appears to be the ultimate SPECTRE fanboi for whatever reason. The claim that the members of SPECTRE have strict recruitment policies is without merit since it is easy to restrain your recruitment to the point were you actually have to remove players in order to make room for them. Passion and ST have both been a capped guild since head start and keep in mind that players could only have one character during that time, thus 300 individual accounts were linked to those guilds.

Quote: Kaito on 06/20/2012, 07:50 AM - view

So don't feed into it, ignore it and stop trying to defend it as if you have something to hide. If you have nothing to worry about, then treat this like a troll thread and move on with it. All I can see here is AZA answering questions that were never asked. Let the actions speak louder than words! AZA has nothing to hide, right? So then don't worry about the fabricated stories that develop in a forum. There's a small minority that read the forums, show the community in game what AZA stands for. Even if you guys didn't start the drama, be the professional ones and end it!

Quote: xFervid on 06/20/2012, 06:42 AM - view

What if making the server better revolves around making the general population aware of a plan to monopolize and raise taxes?

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This thread like many others like it just need to die. Everyone's said their piece, its time to move on. The way I see it, like so many other threads is that SPECTRE people will continue to troll, and the AZA will always be defending itself. You want actions to speak louder than words fine, but truly, I want to say that 90% of the accusatory remarks in these threads are from SPECTRE trolls.

@Destian, please stop with the namecalling, Shills and Walmart guild. It's not who we are as an alliance, I cannot rightfully defend us not being a group that name callers with you doing that. I respect your opinion, and how you feel, and I also agree with mostly everything you've said, but you need to realize you are being trolled, and people are just trying to get a rise out of you.

I think that this is yet another thread that due to trolling will need to be locked, like many others this is getting completely out of hand.