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Puji Profile Options #31

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You repeatedly claim that' there's zerg guild but not once have you provided evidence for it. Also, as far as I know, no one but people from your alliance have complained about these so called zerg guilds. If you want people's vote for you this election, maybe show them who these zerg guilds are and HOW you're going to fix the problem. Saying "vote for us, we can stop zerg guilds" seems like a false promise without proper explanation and justification.

FYI, I respect Enclave and its members but I just think that these advertisements are filled with false accusations backed up by nothing but word of mouth and endless assumptions.
Edited by: Puji 12 months ago
Yamstar Profile Options #32

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Daedrynn on 05/27/2012, 11:16 PM - view
Some people will use unsavory tactics to win and others won't. We have pledged not to use unsavory tactics, but that doesn't mean the people who do use them are doing anything wrong, they're just doing it differently.


Just gonna quote this for posterity, don't mind me. Now I think I'm going to go push some old people down some stairs, but it doesn't mean I'm necessarily doing anything wrong. I'm just helping them get down the stairs in an alternative fashion. Yes, I'm being needlessly hyperbolic.

You've been slandering people in public chat, and you've been called on it. You've said multiple times that you're against people who plan on negatively affecting the server if they're elected, and you've been called on that too. As far as I'm concerned, you're the only political entity that has resorted to attempting to negatively affect the others. You should be ashamed of yourself and your actions, or as I'd put it with a bit of levity: this is why we can't have nice things.
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Every person who has asked how a zerg guild can even exist in Tera just gets answered by silence. Seems to be a major talking point for Enclave but they don't ever expand on it when pressed. It sounds like like empty rhetoric at this point.
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Nurgesh on 05/27/2012, 11:58 PM - view
Every person who has asked how a zerg guild can even exist in Tera just gets answered by silence. Seems to be a major talking point for Enclave but they don't ever expand on it when pressed. It sounds like like empty rhetoric at this point.


I will help you with that.



KEKEKEKEKEKEK.
See, bunch of zergs in a guild called KILL ALL TERRAN!

If we don't stop these zerg guilds from Tera, the Terran race and even our ally the Protoss will be GG in 10mins.

Edited by: Clis 12 months ago
Jellad Profile Options #35

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As Key Speaker for The AZA and Co-GM of Malicious Intent this is what i have to say of all this talk.

1. The AZA will NEVER and does not condone the down talk, mud slinging, accusing or other defaming of other guilds, GM's or players. We do not appreciate this kind of behavior and if we catch any guilds openly accusing or causing problems, that is something I want to know about so I can address it.

2. As far as naming guilds that are using "Zerg" tactics: We are not going to call out or name guilds here, it is unnecessary and uncalled for. Zerg guilds, you know who you are, and I will address why we oppose you below.

3. As far as bluffing goes, there is no bluff, there are Guilds who have openly admitted that if they get into the Vanarchy, that their plan is to completely greif players.

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Zerg Tactics, and what they mean to us.

When I start a new toon, land on the platform, and get 3 invites before I even walk away from the platform, thats zerging. When I hear guilds admit that they remove people who have been off for 2 days to keep their roster full of active members, thats zerging. When I hear guilds openly admit that they plan on running the elections so that they can get control of all the zones they can and jack up prices, remove helpful NPC's and overcharge for flying, thats zerging.

We will not call out guilds, we will not name names. But they exist, and they know who they are.

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Our Tactics, and what we believe in

Interviewing and discussion with potential guild members before they are invited. A goal of opening all vendors with low taxes, and reasonable prices. Activating all of the abilities of the cerlics. Activating teleport locations outside of dungeons and raids in our provinces.

We are resspectful reputable players who enjoy helping people out and achieve their goals just as much as we want to achieve our own.

Anyone or any guild in our allaince who does not act according to these goals has repercussions to those actions and will be dealt with according to the rules we have set in the alliance and within our own guilds.

If anyone has any questions about who we are and what we are about, visit the Malicious Intent Guild Charter at http://www.maliciousintent.net/?page_id=2

Whisper myself or Daedrynn in game.

No more accusations, no more bs on this thread... this thread was supposed to be about thanking people for support, not trashing guilds

Thanks

~Jellad
Co-GM Malicious Intent
Bashton Profile Options #36

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Hi Jellad, I'm still waiting for someone to answer my questions. I'll copy/paste and maybe someone from this alliance can actually give me some real information?

Here's my post again:
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I'd really like to know who is promising to jack up prices and taxes, shut down vendors, and "take over everything."

I haven't voted yet, and it seems like important information, but I can't find it anywhere on these forums, and I haven't seen anything in-game -- and I've been leveling pretty much all weekend.

If you have this sort of information, I feel like you owe it to the community to share it.
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I haven't been spam invited by anyone, and I'm not in a guild. I haven't seen any of this talk here on the forums, nor in-game, and I've been playing a lot this weekend.

You all seem to have some sort of information that you're withholding from the community, so I feel that it needs to be shared. If it actually exists?

Who are these people? Are they running for vanarch?

I'm not asking for any negative tactics, I'm just asking for an actual assurance that you have this information before I vote.

Right now it just sounds like a pile of balderdash.

Please respond.
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Jellad on 05/28/2012, 12:26 AM - view
As Key Speaker for The AZA and Co-GM of Malicious Intent this is what i have to say of all this talk.

1. The AZA will NEVER and does not condone the down talk, mud slinging, accusing or other defaming of other guilds, GM's or players. We do not appreciate this kind of behavior and if we catch any guilds openly accusing or causing problems, that is something I want to know about so I can address it.

2. As far as naming guilds that are using "Zerg" tactics: We are not going to call out or name guilds here, it is unnecessary and uncalled for. Zerg guilds, you know who you are, and I will address why we oppose you below.

3. As far as bluffing goes, there is no bluff, there are Guilds who have openly admitted that if they get into the Vanarchy, that their plan is to completely greif players.

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Zerg Tactics, and what they mean to us.

When I start a new toon, land on the platform, and get 3 invites before I even walk away from the platform, thats zerging. When I hear guilds admit that they remove people who have been off for 2 days to keep their roster full of active members, thats zerging. When I hear guilds openly admit that they plan on running the elections so that they can get control of all the zones they can and jack up prices, remove helpful NPC's and overcharge for flying, thats zerging.

We will not call out guilds, we will not name names. But they exist, and they know who they are.

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Our Tactics, and what we believe in

Interviewing and discussion with potential guild members before they are invited. A goal of opening all vendors with low taxes, and reasonable prices. Activating all of the abilities of the cerlics. Activating teleport locations outside of dungeons and raids in our provinces.

We are resspectful reputable players who enjoy helping people out and achieve their goals just as much as we want to achieve our own.

Anyone or any guild in our allaince who does not act according to these goals has repercussions to those actions and will be dealt with according to the rules we have set in the alliance and within our own guilds.

If anyone has any questions about who we are and what we are about, visit the Malicious Intent Guild Charter at http://www.maliciousintent.net/?page_id=2

Whisper myself or Daedrynn in game.

No more accusations, no more bs on this thread... this thread was supposed to be about thanking people for support, not trashing guilds

Thanks

~Jellad
Co-GM Malicious Intent


Oh, do tell us more.
And list these Zerg guilds, I really want to know.
I need to make 2 marines fast and protect my supply depots against these evil zerg guilds.

You can name them.
They probably don't even care since they are a zerg guild anyway.
And beside, aren't they going to troll the community either way?
So please, name them so we can avoid grouping with these "disrespectful and disreputable" people in general.
Am I RIght??? Come on guys, help the "community" out like you said you were going to.
Name them.

Oh my...Interviewing process?
Dang, that is pretty "hardcore".
Where I can submit my resum--Oh I mean my application, to be in your selected few that you believe are redeemable and respectful human being with integrity?
Yamstar Profile Options #38

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Dude, come on. We're treading the waters of McCarthyism Bay at this point. You haven't addressed the points people have made in the thread, you've only made it even more abundantly clear that you're against some nebulous boogeyman that may or may not have made you click a refusal dialog box before you got your alt into whatever overflow guild you use. There is absolutely nothing you can do for or against any guild that would operate in that manner, and frankly pitching your entire platform on it seems spurious at best.

Personally, I still think you mean something else when you're referring to "zerg guilds", but perhaps that's best left unsaid. I wouldn't want to put words in your mouth.
Nurgesh Profile Options #39

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This is the only definition of zerging I could find using google that pertains to MMOs.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=zerging

"3. zerging
In MMORPGs, it is also the term of a person creating accounts solely for game-breaking purposes."

It doesn't match up with your description. You do state that guilds that reach out and recruit people are somehow doing wrong - how is that a bad thing? I find it pretty strange that anyone would try and forcibly recruit people, I hope that nobody does such a thing. Or that it's possible.

"1. The AZA will NEVER and does not condone the down talk, mud slinging, accusing or other defaming of other guilds, GM's or players. We do not appreciate this kind of behavior and if we catch any guilds openly accusing or causing problems, that is something I want to know about so I can address it."

The only guilds making these claims and accusations are your own, through statements such as this.

"2. As far as naming guilds that are using "Zerg" tactics: We are not going to call out or name guilds here, it is unnecessary and uncalled for. Zerg guilds, you know who you are, and I will address why we oppose you below."

But why not call them out? The community should know and players should not join a guild that will kick them.

"3. As far as bluffing goes, there is no bluff, there are Guilds who have openly admitted that if they get into the Vanarchy, that their plan is to completely greif players."

Ok now you simply must give examples here. Nobody can condone greifing and if any guilds are on here to grief then we all want to know about it.

"When I hear guilds admit that they remove people who have been off for 2 days to keep their roster full of active members, thats zerging. When I hear guilds openly admit that they plan on running the elections so that they can get control of all the zones they can and jack up prices, remove helpful NPC's and overcharge for flying, thats zerging."

You owe it to the community to name guilds that have stated this as their modus operandum. That sounds like awful behavior and I don't think anyone will stand for it. I mean, you really owe it to the community to share this information.
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I'm not even sure what's going on here anymore. Can someone clear it up for me?

Alright, there's guilds on this server who just trying to gather as many members as possible. Their intent is to make it more difficult for players to play this game by jacking up taxes and keeping vanarchy merchants closed, etc.

So... If your goal is to oppose them, wouldn't it make sense to name them? I mean, I wouldn't want to vote for them, I wouldn't want anyone to be mislead by them. Yet you're leaving people vulnerable here.

I just went through the list of Vanarch candidates. Not one of their statements makes any claims about being a zerg guild or making their vanarchy period difficult for people. Is there some kind of off-site forum you guys are using but not telling us about? If these guilds are open with their intentions, it's kind of contradictory to not name them or point us at these declarations of intent.