Quote: Dragonmuse on 06/15/2012, 10:56 AM - view

Pause and think for a moment. How much do teleportals/etc cost at the lower levels? Like 10 silver? so what's 10% of that, 1 silver. How much do you really think 1 silver matters in the long run? It's not like crippling tax that's even preventing them from using services.

I work 12+ hour days and made lvl 60 mystic in a little bit over a month, using Quest Gear only until 60 and acquiring roughly 3500g not even using the TB. This isn't the same as Real Life where not everyone can get to the End Game, everyone has equal opportunity to reach 60. And that maybe 10-20g you lost in taxes while in the 1-40 grind? Sell your 59 Quest weapon when you get your 60 one. Guess what, that's about 70g.

Run a simulation if you don't believe me. You seem to have an awful amount of time. Run another toon to 60. Everytime you use npc services in town, output into an excel how much you spent with town name + price. Once you reach 60. Multiply 1-20 zones with 10% tax, 20-40 at 7% tax, and 40-60 at 2% tax. Then do it again with 2% through out. You won't get more than a 5% difference if even that.

Quote: Dragonmuse on 06/15/2012, 10:56 AM - view

This was never the case at the start. When Bianca was still running the alliance, he clearly stated that the Alliance is not a friendship circle. Any guilds who cannot pull their weight in votes and/or maintain their vanarchy position will be dismissed from the alliance immediately. And this is still the case.

Never, in any point, have the alliance say, "we will dominate the polls everytime, once we are all in a vanarchy we will set things up to benifit us." What was said is, we hope to get 5/5 SPECTRE alliance members into the Vanarchy to insure that the Dragonfall population will have the Vanarchs they need. The SPECTRE alliance means Special Political Enforcement Council of TERA Resources and Elections. What are we enforcing? The SPECTRE alliance have very strict charters:

"All alliance members and prospective members are required to adhere to the following requirements. Failure to fulfill these requirements could result in immediate dismissal from the alliance.

All alliance members whether holding a vanarchy or not are expected to act in a respectable manner. This means not engaging or participating in any kind of public trolling or bashing of another player, guild, vanarchy, or alliance.

Alliance members holding a vanarchy are expected to maintain the vanarchy in accordance with alliance guidelines. This includes ensuring all shops are active at all times during your reign and alliance wide tax rates are adhered to unless unavoidable circumstances prohibit it." -SPECTRE Alliance Charter

In short, we want to make sure the guilds who GET into the Alliance will maintain vanarchy and benifit the people, keeping what needs to be opened open, that means skill trainers in lower level zones, specialty store and brokers in higher level zones, at the same time, maintain a sustainable low tax rate.

And that we also need a community out-reach program to educate the community that 1% is an unsustainable path. Why? Because 1% tax does not return even the election money in Areas with lower level population, while the Vanarch still have to do all the work. Sure, others may try to keep playing the "underdog" hand, but the out-reach program is meant to educate others on what is really happening and more lights will be shone for sure.


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Dragonmuse, continual mud-slinging on the alliance will not benefit you. In the alliance meeting there was NEVER mentions about raising taxes to 10%. In fact, the recording of the meeting clearly indicates that we talked about the unsustainable and long term effect of the 1%, it was decided that we are still going to keep all taxes at 1% until the community out reach program. At that point, if the community understands and reach a consensus, higher level zones will bar a 3-4% tax while lower level zones will bar a 2-3% tax. However, if the community cannot reach a consensus, it will be kept at one person.

In all honesty, I thought you are a reasonable person Dragonmuse. But this post has shown me otherwise, as in, you allow personal interest to cloud your judgement and put the community at risk by spewing out false information. I am very disappointed.

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And of course we had the same problem from your side. This is politics. We can't control everyone's action. Just note that both side has its fair share of "things". But nevertheless, I never thought that a guild leader will be unreasonable and spewing lies and misinformation. This is indeed very disappointing.

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I could go off and tell you what was said about the AZA by some people, but what would that do? Mud-sling against you guys? Somehow you have already drawn lots of attention, and mostly negative. While I understand the frustration in trying to re-create your image by defamation of another alliance, this will ultimately not work in your favor, because Action speaks louder than words.

-Valentio

let the spin begin

could you please post links to ALL of your alliance meetings...the ENTIRE meeting..all of it? with transcripts would be nice too please... along with the sound files...unedited =P

i think my friends' ts, mumble, vent etc have translation issues. that [filtered] broke.

Valentio gives you people too much attention.

He successfully participates in an alliance between top guilds, in which all taxes are 1% and all pertinent utilities are open and accessible by all.

The only reason there are people complaining is because there is a second alliance that has formed. No doubt this alliance is begrudged by SPECTRE's successes. All the proof you need is in game, just go to the vanarchy screen and check everything for yourselves.

Dragonfall is privileged to have active guilds running the most popular zones, and working to keep the population of Dragonfall happy and content with low taxes.

Quote: Gelcaot on 06/15/2012, 12:59 PM - view

Sounds like a job for the Anonymous. Should post them on wikileaks.

Tera Inquirer vol. 2 headlines!

Valentio mates with ghilledhu, produces bushy alien babies!

Nyssa's elven jubblies are implants!

Valentio,

It certainly appears that Dragonmuse is speaking from experience rather than just throwing things around. I also find it funny that what you said about taxes is exactly the opposite of what I heard on your TeamSpeak just this past Saturday.

The idea of a 1% tax is sustainable, and while it may not cover the fee's for becoming vanarch, it is certainly enough to make up most of it. I have no problem donating funds to my own vanarch campaign, nor do I have issues asking members of MI (and other guilds in our alliance) to contribute to all of our campaigns if they choose to offer funds (the same goes for our events).

We also choose to charge an entry fee over raising taxes because not everyone wants to participate in events, and in my opinion, that means they should not be forced to fund them, which is exactly what high taxes do. We don't need to maintain roads, buildings, or anything like that, and taxes cannot be used to purchase policy points so why raise them?

As far as negative commentary about the AZA? I would love to hear it. As far as I know the only guilds that left us prior to the last elections, left because they did not want to be part of the political system, or because they were not chosen to run vanarch first because we wanted to ensure the success of the guilds that were capable of managing the vanarchy first and to learn about how the vanarchy worked so we could ensure the support of smaller guilds in the alliance who wanted to run. They were annoyed, or frustrated, but I understand their position and I hold no ill feelings towards them.

As far as your Alliance Charter, we allow all guilds of all sizes in our alliance with the goal of being helpful to them, be it via questing, bams, dungeon groups or whatever. It sounds to me that most of your goals are simply to support your allaince guilds' entry to vanarchy, and anyone who cant do that is out of SPECTRE.

And in all fairness, I must ask, who gave you the right, privilege, or entitlement to police the elections, which from the sound of what SPECTRE stands for is your intention.

I can honestly say that the invitation to join SPECTRE now feels more like your attempt to get us out of the way than a genuine call to join you.

~J

Quote: Jellad on 06/15/2012, 01:05 PM - view

See, this is where your alliance is having problems grasping the reality of the situation.

Please show me where these 10% tax rates are, because I can't seem to find them. I've checked all the zones in control of SPECTRE, and I'll be damned, they all seem to be at 1%.

Fancy that.

Lolwut, You seem to be missing the point actually, it was part of the discussion they had in their meetings, as well as what I heard sitting in their TS on Saturday.. obviously they aren't going to raise taxes to 10% off the bat, the idea is to get you to vote them in and slowly bring it up over time, where 4%-6% was acceptable, why not 10% right?

"Beyond the daily policy point farming quota, of course there are guilds that are unhappy that we are able to obtain vanarchy but not them. Our political enemies continue to nitpick problems about our province. For example, I am not opening the trainers because Veritas District is a level 60 zone and opening the trainer is a waste of 500 policy points per day. And I am not opening the noble restoration cleric, because for 500 policy points, it gives you a three-minute, +20 run speed buff...useless."
~Directly from your interview

Alliance members holding a vanarchy are expected to maintain the vanarchy in accordance with alliance guidelines. This includes ensuring all shops are active at all times during your reign and alliance wide tax rates are adhered to unless unavoidable circumstances prohibit it." -SPECTRE Alliance Charter
~Directly from your above post

So you are dismissing yourself from the alliance then?

A lot of double talk comming from you. I give you credit, you are a decent politician. A great used car salesman. Actions have spoken. We have done everything people asked for. You guys have not.

What it boils down to is you run your campaign differently than we do. I was pointing out the differences between the two. Losing your respect? If you had respect for anyone other than yourself you would not abuse people so. It shows you think they are somehow less than you. It shows poor judgement on your part. I am simply speaking out about my EXPIERENCES with your alliance. I stated what was rumor, what I believe was rumor and then what actually happened to me at the hands of your alliance members. Were they schemes? Maybe, but it shows what low levels your alliance is willing to go to. Were they real honest people with real troubles? Maybe, they all said the very same things, so anyone would wonder what's going on.

There is no re-creating of an image. With or without a Vanarchy I would say the same about anyone who deems themselves more worthy than any other because he can bully his way there. You guys HAVE said the above things, we were even given an alliance site as part of all the stuff that was being brought to us. Funny how on there Nyssa, who you claim you aren't to the community, after stating that you pay for that account to Spectre members is a "unannounced" member of that site.

My proof? http://dragonfall-spectre.enjin.com/profile/2128480/communities

you can call it what you'd like, but i'm not lurking in any shodows. IDC if you win, but do it honorably.