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Zenatsu on 06/20/2012, 10:52 AM - view
Not to rehash a post with almost no merit and very modest understanding of how the events actually work to begin with, but it is not a simple matter of upgrade or GTFO. The events are limited significantly by awful hardware utilization on Tera's part, and no upgrade is going to fix that. At their best, the Nexus events perform in the "unenjoyable but playable" range. The CPU use during these events usually doesn't peak more than 60% across any core, and GPU utilization doesn't exceed 70% in most cases while the game crawls along at 15-20 fps. What causes this generally just poor optimization of the game, and the fact that the CPU ends up artificially bottlenecking the GPU in a situation where the data transfer between the two is limited compared to the immense amount of things actually occurring in the game. If people with i5-2500k and i7-2600k's overclocked to 4.5-4.8ghz and gtx 680's aren't getting beyond 20 fps, then there just isn't much that can be done. To most people, that's on the border of what can be considered playable. Personally, I don't feel like I'm significantly contributing at that kind of fps, but I can still manage to press buttons and play the game to a limited extent which is probably what most people are experiencing.
What I (safely) think Sharpie is getting at concerning the BG's is that there is the potential risk that our server may not have widespread access to T13 pvp gear which could be a detriment to groups on server as a whole. I doubt it will impact his group, but his sentiment seems to reflect concern for the well-being of the players on the server as a whole. BG farming will obviously provide access to PVP gear and everyone is well aware of that, but what we earn through Nexus will be what we have to work with initially and will likely sway the fun-factor for a lot of players.
There are some minor aspects of your post that don't carry any weight like overlooking that there is massive AFK'ing from the 20fps crowd that could otherwise be participating, or that any good guild that tries to break away from the zerg and complete the events in a timely manner will be re-joined by the zerg once they see the Nexus is in progress, but these are less significant than the misguided indictment of the thread and the potential perpetuation of the misconception that you can buy computer hardware of any kind that plays Nexus at any level beyond "reasonably poor". Telling people with hardware that is less powerful than your own to "upgrade or GTFO" would be like someone telling a bad tank or a failing guild to "get good". It doesn't actually help or improve their situation in any meaningful way. There are more constructive forms of advice.
~~ TL;DR at bottom ~~
So, it is not really AFKing that is the problem. The players are at their computers, but their computers cannot keep up with the mass load the game brings when they are around 40+ players, preforming abilities, 20 AoE Particles going off, Animations being spammed, and the list goes on.
So. A nexus can be done with a 10 man team. 5 if you can handle Phase 2. 15 if you want to be super safe. That is the minimum. If you cannot handle 15 people in 1 area doing a nexus. Its time for an upgrade to your computer. Sure, Nexus is boring. Other servers are downing them, but personally, I seriously don't give a flying fajita.
and before you go off saying "But I meet the minimum system requirements, I should be able to do everything I pay for!". If you're scraping by the minimum requirements, you should expect some huge performance hits, when you do certain things that has a huge load on your computer. So get an upgrade, or deal with it. You are the only one at fault there.
Also sharpie, I do not know how you expect low performance at a nexus event, to convey performance at BG's. They are 2 different things. But, that sort of discussion is beast left to a seprate thread.
TL;DR
A lot people are not AFKing at a nexus. They are mostly lagging due to old computer hardware. Upgrade, or GTFO.
Not to rehash a post with almost no merit and very modest understanding of how the events actually work to begin with, but it is not a simple matter of upgrade or GTFO. The events are limited significantly by awful hardware utilization on Tera's part, and no upgrade is going to fix that. At their best, the Nexus events perform in the "unenjoyable but playable" range. The CPU use during these events usually doesn't peak more than 60% across any core, and GPU utilization doesn't exceed 70% in most cases while the game crawls along at 15-20 fps. What causes this generally just poor optimization of the game, and the fact that the CPU ends up artificially bottlenecking the GPU in a situation where the data transfer between the two is limited compared to the immense amount of things actually occurring in the game. If people with i5-2500k and i7-2600k's overclocked to 4.5-4.8ghz and gtx 680's aren't getting beyond 20 fps, then there just isn't much that can be done. To most people, that's on the border of what can be considered playable. Personally, I don't feel like I'm significantly contributing at that kind of fps, but I can still manage to press buttons and play the game to a limited extent which is probably what most people are experiencing.
What I (safely) think Sharpie is getting at concerning the BG's is that there is the potential risk that our server may not have widespread access to T13 pvp gear which could be a detriment to groups on server as a whole. I doubt it will impact his group, but his sentiment seems to reflect concern for the well-being of the players on the server as a whole. BG farming will obviously provide access to PVP gear and everyone is well aware of that, but what we earn through Nexus will be what we have to work with initially and will likely sway the fun-factor for a lot of players.
There are some minor aspects of your post that don't carry any weight like overlooking that there is massive AFK'ing from the 20fps crowd that could otherwise be participating, or that any good guild that tries to break away from the zerg and complete the events in a timely manner will be re-joined by the zerg once they see the Nexus is in progress, but these are less significant than the misguided indictment of the thread and the potential perpetuation of the misconception that you can buy computer hardware of any kind that plays Nexus at any level beyond "reasonably poor". Telling people with hardware that is less powerful than your own to "upgrade or GTFO" would be like someone telling a bad tank or a failing guild to "get good". It doesn't actually help or improve their situation in any meaningful way. There are more constructive forms of advice.
Edited by: Apeish
11 months ago