Rayon (Dejavu) for Vanarch

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Hello Feral Valley, I'm Tronco, Knight of Dejavu and I'd like to have a word with you.


If you are already familiar with our guild, then you know what to expect from us. If you're not, allow me the honor of making introductions. Dejavu is an end-game focused PvE / PvP guild with a zero tolerance policy on Infamy. You have never been "ganked" by Dejavu, and you never shall. Our members are mature, accomplished gamers with rich and varied backgrounds. Our members have been hand selected, and interviewed to ensure understanding of our policies, experience, maturity, and commitment to our ideals.


Please check out our website, http://dejavu-tera.shivtr.com/ for more information (and maybe apply if you're looking for an amazing end-game guild ;)


Rayon and his officer corps brought the values and ideals to this game that have made us an honorable and dependable end-game content guild. We would like to bring the same principles to the office of Vanarch in a province near you.

-We are not a mass-invite guild, have slightly over 60 members, virtually no alts, and cannot count on 200-300 members to vote for us, we NEED your support.

-Our policies that govern our own behavior have from the first day, been focused on being fair to our fellow players. We've been pledged to share this community with civility and grace, and you can expect the same from our reign as Vanarch.

-If you are in a guild, that cannot run for Vanarch this term, you still owe it to yourself, your guildies, and your friends to participate in this election, and select a guild that will work hard to maintain fair play, and instill integrity wherever it is given authority.

Dejavu has always played for you, now please vote for us.



(The Breakdown for that that said WHOA, TLDR-WTF?!)
Guild: Dejavu http://dejavu-tera.shivtr.com/
GM: Rayon
Campaign: Vanarch
Provinces: Val Aureum - Sylvanoth - Val Elenium
Edited by: Tronco about 1 year ago
Vilare Profile Options #2

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Got my vote :)

you guys handled my app to join really well, and have the tools and ideals necessary to get stuff done. if i was looking to join a guild, you guys would prolly be it :)
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Definitely do not have my vote, you are on a pvp server with zero tolerance for infamy.... Besides that, you have nothing else you really stand for. This seems like it is just a guild recruitment post, and a bad one at that.
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Chopsticks on 05/17/2012, 08:31 PM - view
Definitely do not have my vote, you are on a pvp server with zero tolerance for infamy.... Besides that, you have nothing else you really stand for. This seems like it is just a guild recruitment post, and a bad one at that.


Real PvP has nothing to do with Infamy.

Yes, we ARE on a PvP server, however, we believe that there's more to PvP than cowardly jumping people that are lower level or unflagged.

It's clear your ideology is different than our own if you can't differentiate "ganking" from PvP.

We hold our members to a higher standard in many ways, aside from infamy, but as this is NOT simply a recruitment post, I didn't bother to mention any more.

Really the post says it all, honor, quality, integrity, fair play. If you're uncertain as to what it means to stand for principles and ideals such as these... I recommend you stay far from our province when we are Vanarch.
Edited by: Tronco about 1 year ago
Wykdrahs Profile Options #5

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You and Rayon have my vote, my friend.
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Tronco on 05/18/2012, 01:14 AM - view
Chopsticks on 05/17/2012, 08:31 PM
Definitely do not have my vote, you are on a pvp server with zero tolerance for infamy.... Besides that, you have nothing else you really stand for. This seems like it is just a guild recruitment post, and a bad one at that.


Real PvP has nothing to do with Infamy.

Yes, we ARE on a PvP server, however, we believe that there's more to PvP than cowardly jumping people that are lower level or unflagged.

It's clear your ideology is different than our own if you can't differentiate "ganking" from PvP.

We hold our members to a higher standard in many ways, aside from infamy, but as this is NOT simply a recruitment post, I didn't bother to mention any more.

Really the post says it all, honor, quality, integrity, fair play. If you're uncertain as to what it means to stand for principles and ideals such as these... I recommend you stay far from our province when we are Vanarch.


It's not that I cannot differentiate between ganking and PvP, it's that what you want for PvP is exactly how a PvE server is. You can flag yourself and wait for them to flag and then duke it out, no infamy is gained there, it is strictly a PvP server thing if I understand it correctly, which I may not.

Also this isn't a recruitment post, but if you are running for Vanarch and you want people's votes you should tell them what you will do when you become Vanarch. From your post I know that you will do... well actually you haven't said anything you will do. What % tax will you have, will you keep trainers open, will you keep specialty vendors open, will you keep brokers open, why should I choose you over the next guy?

My first post my have come off as a flame to you, but it is just irritating seeing all these people run for Vanarch and not state their position on the things that will affect the players. If you can tell people what you will do and what you won't allow in your province, and how you intend to achieve your promises then you will get a lot more people to vote for you (if you have a good plan).
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Chopsticks on 05/18/2012, 08:03 AM - view
Tronco on 05/18/2012, 01:14 AM
Chopsticks on 05/17/2012, 08:31 PM
Definitely do not have my vote, you are on a pvp server with zero tolerance for infamy.... Besides that, you have nothing else you really stand for. This seems like it is just a guild recruitment post, and a bad one at that.


Real PvP has nothing to do with Infamy.

Yes, we ARE on a PvP server, however, we believe that there's more to PvP than cowardly jumping people that are lower level or unflagged.

It's clear your ideology is different than our own if you can't differentiate "ganking" from PvP.

We hold our members to a higher standard in many ways, aside from infamy, but as this is NOT simply a recruitment post, I didn't bother to mention any more.

Really the post says it all, honor, quality, integrity, fair play. If you're uncertain as to what it means to stand for principles and ideals such as these... I recommend you stay far from our province when we are Vanarch.


It's not that I cannot differentiate between ganking and PvP, it's that what you want for PvP is exactly how a PvE server is. You can flag yourself and wait for them to flag and then duke it out, no infamy is gained there, it is strictly a PvP server thing if I understand it correctly, which I may not.

Also this isn't a recruitment post, but if you are running for Vanarch and you want people's votes you should tell them what you will do when you become Vanarch. From your post I know that you will do... well actually you haven't said anything you will do. What % tax will you have, will you keep trainers open, will you keep specialty vendors open, will you keep brokers open, why should I choose you over the next guy?

My first post my have come off as a flame to you, but it is just irritating seeing all these people run for Vanarch and not state their position on the things that will affect the players. If you can tell people what you will do and what you won't allow in your province, and how you intend to achieve your promises then you will get a lot more people to vote for you (if you have a good plan).


I don't think anyone who runs for vanarch is going to say "I won't be opening brokers, but specialty shops are a go." It's the guilds and their leaders that are able to coordinate and do vanarch quests that will be able to keep such services open, and thusly earn your votes. As far as tax rates, who will honestly tell you "Yeah, once I get vanarch, I'm going to jack the tax rate up to max."? Once again, we'll have to wait and see, because all the talk right now is just that, talk.

As far as PvP... your understanding of the rule sets in this game on differing servers is lacking. Infamy is gained only by players flagging and ganking lowbies. If you flag and take out a player of similar level, you incur no infamy. If you take out a player who is flagged due to infamy, you incur no infamy, regardless of level difference. You cannot flag AT ALL on PvE servers, and currently there isn't even GvG on those servers.

Therefore, one can still engage in PvP on the server without gaining infamy, provided you fight with some modicum of honor, integrity or fairplay. Infamy is just a system that has been set in place so that there are consequences if you level to 40 and camp out in Fey Forest one shotting noobs. Namely, some bored 60's grinding gathering skills that they neglected whilst leveling up are going to one shot you for free. Thus the cycle of life continues, and noobs eventually learn not to [filtered] around questing in channel 1.

You've just been learned. Thank you for watching.
Edited by: Wykdrahs about 1 year ago - Reason: Typos on mah keyboardz
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Wykdrahs on 05/18/2012, 08:51 AM - view
Chopsticks on 05/18/2012, 08:03 AM
Tronco on 05/18/2012, 01:14 AM
Chopsticks on 05/17/2012, 08:31 PM
Definitely do not have my vote, you are on a pvp server with zero tolerance for infamy.... Besides that, you have nothing else you really stand for. This seems like it is just a guild recruitment post, and a bad one at that.


Real PvP has nothing to do with Infamy.

Yes, we ARE on a PvP server, however, we believe that there's more to PvP than cowardly jumping people that are lower level or unflagged.

It's clear your ideology is different than our own if you can't differentiate "ganking" from PvP.

We hold our members to a higher standard in many ways, aside from infamy, but as this is NOT simply a recruitment post, I didn't bother to mention any more.

Really the post says it all, honor, quality, integrity, fair play. If you're uncertain as to what it means to stand for principles and ideals such as these... I recommend you stay far from our province when we are Vanarch.


It's not that I cannot differentiate between ganking and PvP, it's that what you want for PvP is exactly how a PvE server is. You can flag yourself and wait for them to flag and then duke it out, no infamy is gained there, it is strictly a PvP server thing if I understand it correctly, which I may not.

Also this isn't a recruitment post, but if you are running for Vanarch and you want people's votes you should tell them what you will do when you become Vanarch. From your post I know that you will do... well actually you haven't said anything you will do. What % tax will you have, will you keep trainers open, will you keep specialty vendors open, will you keep brokers open, why should I choose you over the next guy?

My first post my have come off as a flame to you, but it is just irritating seeing all these people run for Vanarch and not state their position on the things that will affect the players. If you can tell people what you will do and what you won't allow in your province, and how you intend to achieve your promises then you will get a lot more people to vote for you (if you have a good plan).


I don't think anyone who runs for vanarch is going to say "I won't be opening brokers, but specialty shops are a go." It's the guilds and their leaders that are able to coordinate and do vanarch quests that will be able to keep such services open, and thusly earn your votes. As far as tax rates, who will honestly tell you "Yeah, once I get vanarch, I'm going to jack the tax rate up to max."? Once again, we'll have to wait and see, because all the talk right now is just that, talk.

As far as PvP... your understanding of the rule sets in this game on differing servers is lacking. Infamy is gained only by players flagging and ganking lowbies. If you flag and take out a player of similar level, you incur no infamy. If you take out a player who is flagged due to infamy, you incur no infamy, regardless of level difference. You cannot flag AT ALL on PvE servers, and currently there isn't even GvG on those servers.

Therefore, one can still engage in PvP on the server without gaining infamy, provided you fight with some modicum of honor, integrity or fairplay. Infamy is just a system that has been set in place so that there are consequences if you level to 40 and camp out in Fey Forest one shotting noobs. Namely, some bored 60's grinding gathering skills that they neglected whilst leveling up are going to one shot you for free. Thus the cycle of life continues, and noobs eventually learn not to [filtered] around questing in channel 1.

You've just been learned. Thank you for watching.


Like I said when I posted, I wasn't sure about the pvp system on pve servers, but apart from that little bit of info you shared you are completely wrong. If you look at some of the other people running for Vanarch's posts then you will see at least one that lists what they will do, their stance on taxes, and how they plan to achieve such goals. Given the two candidates right now I will choose the other over Rayon simply because he is running for office with nothing except "honor, quality, integrity, fair play". This is my best guess at what he means by that in a game.
honor - don't kill people who are fighting mobs / low level / if you out number them
quality - ??
integrity - don't ninja gear, kick people out of parties, or lie to get things you want
fair play - same as honor?

Now out of those what can the Vanarch actually control? Honor in his province, that is it, and the only way to do that is by ruining the game for the people who came here to PvP. So once again I come back to my question, why should someone vote for him over the next guy?

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??? I don't see how it ruins PvP. It creates a level (for the most part) playing field for those who want it, and creates a greater challenge for those who wish to level gap and gank by introducing a policing force (made up of players) whom they must actively avoid or engage in order to continue their activities. How does this "ruin" PvP? All it does is introduce another component, and one that is entirely dependent on the decisions of the players.

As far as stances on taxes, I've seen "Will only tax enough to fund events such as deathmatches and tournaments" which leaves the question of how much those events will actually costs neatly under the table; and "I will tax 25-30%" which is outrageous and also impossible as vanarch taxes are capped at 15%. There might be more, but I'm not going to dig through 10 pages of the FV forum to find them.

The fact remains is that everything anybody claims regarding services in towns and taxes is a bunch of hot air with nothing to back it up, because we haven't seen how the mechanics of it work in game yet. Well, at least those of us who haven't played KTERA haven't.

I will make the assertion that a statement of broad intent and good will at this point carries more weight than promises that can't be anything but empty. I will now cease feeding the troll.

Good day all,

Wykdrahs
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Hi Wykdrahs, we're glad to have your support. Not that posts from people who claim we DEFINATELY don't have their vote, demanding answers that shouldn't matter to them isn't really constructive and fascinating.