Advanced Combat Tracker, does it work?

Chasing Profile Options #91

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MrDMajor on 04/16/2012, 02:18 PM - view
The video shows a group of people playing hard mode level 60 run and wiping. The person who made the video said that Berzerkers and Archers are not wanted in Level 60 content and blames them for the wipe.


^^ THIS is a problem, and this is why we really do need a way to track damage. As someone who plans on playing an Archer in PvE, and knowing this stigma exists, I'm going to make mine the best possible version of the class that I can, and I WILL out-DPS and out-survive people playing classes that should be higher-damage and higher-survivability.

If this game is structured such that I'll end up in groups where I'm punished or kicked for my classes' (assumed) potential vs everyone elses' (assumed) potential rather than my actual PERFORMANCE vs everyone elses' actual performance, then this game really is dead in the water. :\

@Shift21 - [filtered] yes, darlin'.
Edited by: Chasing about 1 year ago - Reason: To agree with Shift.
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AlexSkylark on 04/16/2012, 09:02 AM - view


1 - DPS Meter is introduced. People stop getting judged for their capacity to stay alive and still do decent dmg, but for their ability to DISH OUT 1337 DPS.


Well, when the encounter in WoW required say 10k DPS from each DPS, and you did 5K DPS, yeah, no one gave a sh!t if you stayed alive or not, you were a waste of a raid slot.
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PastyTheWhite on 04/16/2012, 02:22 PM - view
Raelizer on 04/16/2012, 02:16 PM
i think any kind of third party program that affects the game in anyway should get you IP blocked.



So everyone who uses Teamspeak, Vent, or Mumble should get banned? How about Fraps and other video recording software?


these programs do not affect the game in anyway, they do not plug into it nor pull data from it, think before you speak sir.
Chasing Profile Options #94

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They affect the game directly by taking away the requirement that you type to communicate, which would otherwise be an (intended?) gimp to fighting, where Esc/Alting out stops you from aiming or using skills until you've finished your directions/comments/warnings.

Speaking of, it also affects the games directly because it's like a live-action Deadly Boss Mods, where someone is telling you "Watch out, X is about to spawn!" "You need to go kill the Y!" "Look out for Z on the ground!"
Edited by: Chasing about 1 year ago
MrDMajor Profile Options #95

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How were you able to tell that the Berzerker did more damage without the DPS Meter? Why didn't you need the DPS Meter to see that? How would the DPS meter change the outcome of the actual wipe?

DPS Meter won't make most people "better". It makes people less accountable by placing blame elsewhere by using a NUMBER that has no context in it.

"Oh I did 10k you did 9k, it's your fault". What if player was resurrecting player while priest recharged mana? Who knows? DPS Meter surely doesn't. 2 eyes have better chance.
Edited by: MrDMajor about 1 year ago
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MrDMajor on 04/16/2012, 02:48 PM - view
How were you able to tell that the Berzerker did more damage without the DPS Meter? Why didn't you need the DPS Meter to see that? How would the DPS meter change the outcome of the actual wipe?

DPS Meter won't make most people "better". It makes people less accountable by placing blame elsewhere by using a NUMBER that has no context in it.

"Oh I did 10k you did 9k, it's your fault".


I had the luxury of watching a film of the encounter, where I could rewind and watch the flawed moment 2 or 3 times to find the issue. In the heat of a fight, your not going to see it.

I could tell, by watching the slayer take WAY longer to get to the tree then the other 4 people.

And if it were 10 to 9k dps, no one would blame anyone. The group as a whole would have to pick it up, in this video the berserker was on target for 9 seconds, the slayer for 3.

So it would be
10k vs 2 or 3k dps.

Which is a problem.
And just like you say, there is no accountability. The wrong person was blamed for this wipe. The person responsible wont speak up and say "he(the berserker) did fine I messed up.", he will go along with the group and kick the better player.
Edited by: Shift21 about 1 year ago
Chasing Profile Options #97

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@MrD - it's not only blame-based. There are plenty of people - even on WoW - who upon seeing someone doing far less DPS than they should be would start asking them questions about their rotation and playstyle to help them be more effective and make sure they're not missing something essential. That's a positive effect on the community. It's not just, "We're going to kick the lowest person!"

And more effective when your entire role is "damage dealer" means doing more damage, and that's a good thing.
Edited by: Chasing about 1 year ago
MrDMajor Profile Options #98

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How would the DPS meter have prevented the wipe? It has no context. We wouldn't know why anything happened.

Watching the footage > DPS Meter

Why was EVERYONE so close to a one shot area attack > DPS Meter
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Raelizer on 04/16/2012, 02:44 PM - view
PastyTheWhite on 04/16/2012, 02:22 PM
Raelizer on 04/16/2012, 02:16 PM
i think any kind of third party program that affects the game in anyway should get you IP blocked.



So everyone who uses Teamspeak, Vent, or Mumble should get banned? How about Fraps and other video recording software?


these programs do not affect the game in anyway, they do not plug into it nor pull data from it, think before you speak sir.


Sorry sir, but your statement is simply wrong. Let us think shall we... Voice communication clearly affect a game that does not have have it built in. Being able to tell someone, via speech, that they are standing in a bad spot rather spending the time to type it clearly affects the game.

And video recording software can most definitely have an affect on the game's performance on your system.

You sir are the one who need to think before making such bold statements.
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Chasing on 04/16/2012, 02:51 PM - view
@MrD - it's not only blame-based. There are plenty of people - even on WoW - who upon seeing someone doing far less DPS than they should be would start asking them questions about their rotation and playstyle to help them be more effective and make sure they're not missing something essential. That's a positive effect on the community. It's not just, "We're going to kick the lowest person!"

And more effective when your entire role is "damage dealer" means doing more damage, and that's a good thing.


You know well and good, reasonable people will use tools of this nature reasonably... but what?

Is this an isolated incident:
http://youtu.be/F4wurXDgYmE

Or your "we just want to improve our game play" scenario.