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MrDMajor on 04/16/2012, 02:58 PM - view
How would the DPS meter have prevented the wipe? It has no context. We wouldn't know why anything happened.

Watching the footage > DPS Meter

Why was EVERYONE so close to a one shot area attack > DPS Meter


I cant tell if your dumb, or trolling us.

If everyone was 300 yards away, they still get wiped, thats the fight mechanic. You have to kill the tree in 10 seconds.

And the point was not preventing the wipe, the point is someone who was playing good, was blamed for something someone else did.

And you cant watch a film of your fight every dungeon your in, you can however glance at a meter and see the slayer did 37,000 damage to the tree, and the berserker and warrior both did well over 200,000.
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MrDMajor on 04/16/2012, 02:58 PM - view
How would the DPS meter have prevented the wipe? It has no context. We wouldn't know why anything happened.

Watching the footage > DPS Meter

Why was EVERYONE so close to a one shot area attack > DPS Meter


A dps meter helps fix the cause of the wipe which was the slayer taking 5 seconds to get to the damn tree.

You can see exactly how much damage was done with a damage meter.If you are watching a video you can only guess how much damage someone did in 10 seconds.

So dps meter > watching footage.

Everyone was in the one shot area because the boss kills the entire zone if you don't kill the tree in time.
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MrDMajor on 04/16/2012, 02:58 PM - view
How would the DPS meter have prevented the wipe? It has no context. We wouldn't know why anything happened.

Watching the footage > DPS Meter

Why was EVERYONE so close to a one shot area attack > DPS Meter


As has been stated like, 38 billion times already, the meter is only a tool. You do not let it play the game for you. You use the information it gives you, in combination with all the other sources available to you, to reach a more accurate conclusion.

You keep pretending like the people who use DPS meters exclude everything else, yet you yourself would exclude a valuable and useful tool.
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there are pro's and con's to having a dps meter.
more pro's if your raiding with a group of friends of guild members , because then the meter becomes
a tool to help the group improve as a whole

If your pugging however then the con's stand out more
-lets face it though people are going to be dumb, come up with silly reasons as to why the group is
wiping or not killing mobs fast enough with or without the meter.

so it would be nice if the dps meter was available, but its not going to gimp players if its not available.
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MrDMajor on 04/16/2012, 03:02 PM - view
Chasing on 04/16/2012, 02:51 PM
@MrD - it's not only blame-based. There are plenty of people - even on WoW - who upon seeing someone doing far less DPS than they should be would start asking them questions about their rotation and playstyle to help them be more effective and make sure they're not missing something essential. That's a positive effect on the community. It's not just, "We're going to kick the lowest person!"

And more effective when your entire role is "damage dealer" means doing more damage, and that's a good thing.


You know well and good, reasonable people will use tools of this nature reasonably... but what?

Is this an isolated incident:
http://youtu.be/F4wurXDgYmE

Or your "we just want to improve our game play" scenario.


Isolated incident.

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I love it how every person that's against DPS meters is this thread, looks at the tool from a PUG perspective. Jumping to stupid conclusions and linking videos of some failed WoW pug raids.

This thread is about ACT, and ACT is not a tool that's generally used by you average LFD dungeon runners.

Try to get this through your thick skulls; if you're running in a PUG, and the whole group is doing more or less fine, there should be no reason to have a problem with a DPS meter; last boss is down? xXLegolasXx links the DPS log to show off his epeen? Great, get your loot and get out. If you're upset about seeing some numbers, then maybe you should start playing Hello Kitty Online.


On the other hand, if you're in a hardcore guild that's interested in server/world firsts, and that expects players to bring their A game every time they play, then I'm sorry, but having a tool like ACT, makes a huge difference. Not just so that you can iron out any kinks on a individual level, but also, so that you can look at the raid as a whole.

If Bluehole decides to go down the path of gating and gear checks (which is the most popular way of ensuring that people won't beat your content a week after it releases), then having detailed statistics such as raid DPS needed for the encounter is invaluable.
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Miokii on 04/16/2012, 03:10 PM - view
there are pro's and con's to having a dps meter.
more pro's if your raiding with a group of friends of guild members , because then the meter becomes
a tool to help the group improve as a whole

If your pugging however then the con's stand out more
-lets face it though people are going to be dumb, come up with silly reasons as to why the group is
wiping or not killing mobs fast enough with or without the meter.

so it would be nice if the dps meter was available, but its not going to gimp players if its not available.


I disagree the pros out weight the cons even in a pug.

If you hit a dps wall either the group is going to disband or the lowest dps is going to get kicked.Since there is no way to measure dps everyone just assumes that to be berserkers and archers.

Not having a meter is going to gimp players who play less than ideal class.This is already happening in ktera on some bosses berserkers get auto kicked even if they are beating the other dps classes.With a dps meter if the weaker classes were winning at least the group will attempt the boss with them or replace the ideal dps class that is not doing enough damage.

Also using idiot pug dps as a reason not to have dps meters is weak argument.If someone links meters after every trash pull tell them the cut the crap,ignore them or kick them for being stupid.

If someone is taking damage on purpose to pad meters tell them to cut the crap or kick them for being stupid.
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Shift21 on 04/16/2012, 03:03 PM - view


I cant tell if your dumb, or trolling us.

If everyone was 300 yards away, they still get wiped, thats the fight mechanic. You have to kill the tree in 10 seconds.

And the point was not preventing the wipe, the point is someone who was playing good, was blamed for something someone else did.

And you cant watch a film of your fight every dungeon your in, you can however glance at a meter and see the slayer did 37,000 damage to the tree, and the berserker and warrior both did well over 200,000.


You're just showing you don't know what berserker attacks look like. In that video, right at the end before they wipe. The zerker Miss's a full charged thunder strike. miss a stationary target with a Full charged thunder strike, that was a massive blow to his damage. He then stunned the tree, flaten, then the camera turns so ya cant see him well, but hes swinging his axe every chance he gets it seems, so that means hes not using any charge up skill, which anyone with half a brain knows thats where zerkers main damage comes from.

So, by that video alone, you could say that slayer might have done more damage then the zerk even though he was 3-4 sec's late. Did both melee suck? yep, no ones saying they did not both blow.
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MadcatGTs on 04/16/2012, 03:23 PM - view
Shift21 on 04/16/2012, 03:03 PM


I cant tell if your dumb, or trolling us.

If everyone was 300 yards away, they still get wiped, thats the fight mechanic. You have to kill the tree in 10 seconds.

And the point was not preventing the wipe, the point is someone who was playing good, was blamed for something someone else did.

And you cant watch a film of your fight every dungeon your in, you can however glance at a meter and see the slayer did 37,000 damage to the tree, and the berserker and warrior both did well over 200,000.


You're just showing you don't know what berserker attacks look like. In that video, right at the end before they wipe. The zerker Miss's a full charged thunder strike. miss a stationary target with a Full charged thunder strike, that was a massive blow to his damage. He then stunned the tree, flaten, then the camera turns so ya cant see him well, but hes swinging his axe every chance he gets it seems, so that means hes not using any charge up skill, which anyone with half a brain knows thats where zerkers main damage comes from.

So, by that video alone, you could say that slayer might have done more damage then the zerk even though he was 3-4 sec's late. Did both melee suck? yep, no ones saying they did not both blow.


While this is true the berserker is just using random attacks they already decided he was a detriment to the group because of his class.Read the chat logs they saying to kick the zerker because of his class.

When they should be saying to kick the zerker because hes an idiot and is using staggering strike to dps and can't hit the tree.
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Edited by: Excelle about 1 year ago