Advanced Combat Tracker, does it work?

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AlexSkylark on 04/16/2012, 09:02 AM - view
The problem isn't only with the elitist, but with EVERYONE. A DPS meter introduces a domino effect that ultimately kills the game, just as it happened with WoW and other similar games where this feature existed:

1 - DPS Meter is introduced. People stop getting judged for their capacity to stay alive and still do decent dmg, but for their ability to DISH OUT 1337 DPS.

2 - Priorities change. suddenly dodging attack X or Y becomes less important because it'll hurt DPS

3 - Healers start to have serious mana problems from healing DDs who care first about DPS, and second about their HP bar. (and they NEED to. sub-par (I mean, non-awesome) DPS can get them kicked out of the group)

4 - Wipes. Lots of them. Tank curses healers, healers curse DDs, DDs curse everybody. Massive outcry on the forums about the game being too hard and only hardcore guilds who play 10 hours a day being able to clear content.

5 - EME listens to the massive QQ and eventually nerf the dungeons to oblivion. PvE content becomes very easy as to accomodate for this playstyle the community addopted.

6 - More outcry because the PuGs formed through the LFD STILL can't clear content. EME introduces ridiculous buffs on parties made through the LFD so it can compensate for the lack of coordination of such groups. This incentives ppl to use only the LFD, even parties made of guildmates will use the LFD now and just blow through the dungeons.

7 - PvE content as a whole becomes ridiculously and absurdly easy, even hard modes. In fact, hard modes becomes the "normal" mode, and regular mode is completely and utterly disregarded. People just burn through them ASAP to farm gear/gold/marks. speed becomes esencial. No more challenge, just grinding. Game is officially broken.

"All of this has happened before, and it will happen again"


Your entire argument here is that dumb people and bad players are dumb and bad. Thanks for stating the obvious.
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lindz on 04/16/2012, 10:39 AM - view



Your entire argument here is that dumb people and bad players are dumb and bad. Thanks for stating the obvious.


And that there will always be a constant flow of dumb and bad players.
Chasing Profile Options #53

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That's just going to lead to people 'picking out' the goods by using tricks like the one described by Easy (and less intrusive variations thereof) and then refusing to run PuGs because there's no accountability.

Excuse me for saying this, but accountability is good.

Let's say I work in an office with ten other people, and each day we need to process and ship 200 orders to keep up. One guy has no idea how to do paperwork or prepare items to ship, and he won't ask anyone or read about it, and as a result sucks. He does 10 orders a day. Everyone else is doing 20, but when orders start getting backlogged we ALL get yelled at for it, because our company has chosen not to evaluate individual performance.

Now let's say I work in an office with ten other people, and each day we need to process and ship 200 orders to keep up. One guy has no idea how to do paperwork or prepare items to ship, and won't ask anyone or read about it, and as a result sucks. He does 10 orders a day. Everyone else is doing 20. The backlog starts. The company has chosen to evaluate individual performance, so if this keeps up ---
none of the people meeting their quotas are berated, and he deserves to be fired, which he is.

Seeing how awful this guy is at paperwork, he'll either find other jobs that he'll be fired from, find a job where performance isn't evaluated and drain the resources of everyone else working their as they try to carry him, or get a job that has nothing to do with paperwork.

I'd much rather be in the office with evaluated performance. Yes, even if I'm the low one.
Edited by: Chasing about 1 year ago
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AlexSkylark on 04/16/2012, 10:30 AM - view


The moment you introduce a DPS meter is the moment DDs will start competing among themselves for who deals more DPS. This is the moment when people start taking what they think is "acceptable damage" so they can pump up more DPS. That's what triggers the spiral.


This is triggered by people being morons, not by DPS meters being or not being present.

Intelligent people realize that teamwork and self improvement is important. Idiots do not.

Intelligent people know to take as little damage as possible. Idiots do not.

The fact of the matter is, the average gamer (or person, for that matter,) is an idiot.

The fact of the matter is, dps meters dont MAKE people play poorly. People are already playing poorly, they just dont know it. Those same people get upset when shown proof of their underperformance, or flat out refuse to believe it.
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Simply there's no point in pushing up every biot of DPS possible if you can't show that off to your mates.


1. Some people take pride in showing off to themselves because they want to perform with excellence. I know this isn't you, but lots of other people are not like you.

2. There is a point in pushing more DPS if your group is wiping on a boss because you're not pushing enough DPS. Simple eh?


You know what should make people want to do more DPS? an enrage timer not met. And who should want to do more DPS? EVERYBODY. Not just the guy in the bottom of the meters. When you can't pinpoint individual responsibility, it becomes an issue for the group as a whole to resolve, and that's how it should be.


When you can't pinpoint individual responsibility, then the problem is much, much, much more difficult to solve.

And slackers like you can ride under the radar. Nice try baddie.
lindz Profile Options #56

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Tools that allow more information should not be blamed for causing problems. It is a tool, it does not break the game. What does hurt the game is idiots and as stated numerous times by numerous people, idiots will always hurt the game.

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EasymodeX on 04/16/2012, 10:18 AM - view
PastyTheWhite on 04/16/2012, 10:15 AM


Except you cant see other people's dmg? AND again you claim that ACT or some other unnamed program can log the parse but you have yet to provide anything other than you say so.

SOOOOOOOOOOOO... idk wtf you are talking about brah


PastyTheWhite, come hither to the low level world boss that has a lot of HP and low damage, and I will heal you while watching a stopwatch to measure how long it takes for you to do 90% of the world boss's HP. MaxHP*.9 / time = your DPS.

Exceed the minimum or get kicked. Etc.



EasymodeX, come hither and read my reply to Huxer again. I certainly understand the simple maths required to estimate someone else's dps on a mobile. I guess you didnt understand that:

1. To my knowledge group members dmg numbers are not shown on your own "combat" tab (if i am mistaken please show me a screenshot)

2. ACT cannot read the combat log from Tera bc the game does not store logs the way other games do (again if i am mistaken PLEASE SHOW ME A SS OR VIDEO of ACT logging a parse)

I was not arguing for or against meters or that without them we would NEVER have remotely accurate dps estimates. Youve missed the point completely.

The point of my post was to call Huxer out on his BS claiming that ACT works and has worked etc.

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invispoet on 04/16/2012, 10:53 AM - view
AlexSkylark on 04/16/2012, 10:30 AM


The moment you introduce a DPS meter is the moment DDs will start competing among themselves for who deals more DPS. This is the moment when people start taking what they think is "acceptable damage" so they can pump up more DPS. That's what triggers the spiral.


This is triggered by people being morons, not by DPS meters being or not being present.

Intelligent people realize that teamwork and self improvement is important. Idiots do not.

Intelligent people know to take as little damage as possible. Idiots do not.

The fact of the matter is, the average gamer (or person, for that matter,) is an idiot.

The fact of the matter is, dps meters dont MAKE people play poorly. People are already playing poorly, they just dont know it. Those same people get upset when shown proof of their underperformance, or flat out refuse to believe it.


I second that. I'm just astounded by the amount of hate that ppl have for DPS metres when most of the issues they raise is caused by bad players in general, metres or no metres.
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OK, to all the people screaming "guns don't kill people; people kill people", just think that we would have a lot less murders if the world didn't have firearms.

We cannot control he influx of idiots in TERA. Really, we can't. What we CAN do, however, is to deny idiots the tools they need to practice their idiocy.

And to the guy above who say I'm a baddie who dreads a DPS meter for my apparent lack of ability in dealing DPS, I say you're half-way right in your statement. Yes, my DPS is terrible. And it will always be. God forbid me to remember the day I decided to play a Lancer. /sad

EDIT: I better address this to the people who are not capable of detecting irony: I know Lancer is not a DD class. I was being ironic because I was called out as someone wanting to be a terribad DD carried by my group, when I'm in fact a tank.
Edited by: AlexSkylark about 1 year ago
Chasing Profile Options #60

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DPS meters don't kill people. This is more equivalent to saying schools should never test kids on what they've learned, because EVERYONE should be trying to learn more. If there's not enough combined learning, the school fails.

Which is great, but no, everyone doesn't learn, and no, everyone doesn't TRY to learn. So instead, you test to figure out who the dumdums are.
Edited by: Chasing about 1 year ago