Advanced Combat Tracker, does it work?

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AlexSkylark on 04/16/2012, 11:24 AM - view
OK, to all the people screaming "guns don't kill people; people kill people", just think that we would have a lot less murders if the world didn't have firearms.

We cannot control he influx of idiots in TERA. Really, we can't. What we CAN do, however, is to deny idiots the tools they need to practice their idiocy.

And to the guy above who say I'm a baddie who dreads a DPS meter for my apparent lack of ability in dealing DPS, I say you're half-way right in your statement. Yes, my DPS is terrible. And it will always be. God forbid me to remember the day I decided to play a Lancer. /sad

EDIT: I better address this to the people who are not capable of detecting irony: I know Lancer is not a DD class. I was being ironic because I was called out as someone wanting to be a terribad DD carried by my group, when I'm in fact a tank.


Cars kill people too, guess we should get rid of those as well.

How about instead of wrapping everyone in bubble wrap, we just teach people to be less retarded.
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AlexSkylark on 04/16/2012, 10:30 AM - view

You know what should make people want to do more DPS? an enrage timer not met. And who should want to do more DPS? EVERYBODY. Not just the guy in the bottom of the meters. When you can't pinpoint individual responsibility, it becomes an issue for the group as a whole to resolve, and that's how it should be.


And when you hit that enrage timer with out a meter, guess what happens?

The group guesses who the worst is and kicks them, this usually means the class that is perceived to be bad. So as a Archer, I will be the first person kicked every time a group fails to meet an enrage timer.

How is that better?

When I could take numbers, which do not lie, and prove that I am pulling far more weight then the real problem.
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Except that the dumdums will now DIE and drain the healer's mana trying to deal more DPS, when before they just dealt less-than-awesome DPS.

The problem with this is that when the dumdums start taking dmg to deal more DPS, it's THEIR DPS which will become the referential. Everybody will be expected to deal as much dmg as those idiots because the DPS meter made you into nothing more than a number in a meter, and MOST people will be idiots who take dmg to pump their DPS. this isn't arguable, most people in the playerbase are selfish idiots with no regard to teamwork and their group.

Now you're right in saying that the meter per se is just a tool, and the problem is not in itself, but how it will be used by the playerbase. And you're absolutely right in this affirmation. It's HOW IT WILL BE USED BY THE PLAYERBASE.

It just will to more harm than good, it's not worth it.
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Re-posting my question from Page 2 since no one answered it - what information does ACT pull from TERA if the in-game combat log shows you next to nothing already?

Leiloni on 04/16/2012, 08:04 AM
Isn't the combat log in TERA very general? As in "you did x damage" and that's it. It doesn't track what skill you used, it doesn't track heals done, it doesn't track damage taken. Its pretty useless as far as I can tell.
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While sure it's just this argument again, I thought enrage timers in raids and instances came about as a cheap way to have "dps" checks - which became a necessary addition because the dps meter allowed guilds to min-max to a very high degree which lead to fights going from conceptual and organizational challenges to major dps challenges.

I don't know - personally I don't like them. Regardless, I hope EME takes a very defined stance on meters and all add-ons and stickies it so we can stop having silly arguments like this.
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Leiloni on 04/16/2012, 11:48 AM - view
Re-posting my question from Page 2 since no one answered it - what information does ACT pull from TERA if the in-game combat log shows you next to nothing already?

Leiloni on 04/16/2012, 08:04 AM
Isn't the combat log in TERA very general? As in "you did x damage" and that's it. It doesn't track what skill you used, it doesn't track heals done, it doesn't track damage taken. Its pretty useless as far as I can tell.


It would literally show only how much damage you did over x amount of time. nothing else. As i do think you are right about what the combat log shows. I do know for fact heals don't show up, and i know damage taken and from whom is shown at least in pvp, just does not show what was used to do the damage.
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Leiloni on 04/16/2012, 11:48 AM - view
Re-posting my question from Page 2 since no one answered it - what information does ACT pull from TERA if the in-game combat log shows you next to nothing already?

Leiloni on 04/16/2012, 08:04 AM
Isn't the combat log in TERA very general? As in "you did x damage" and that's it. It doesn't track what skill you used, it doesn't track heals done, it doesn't track damage taken. Its pretty useless as far as I can tell.


Leiloni my dearest, ACT does not work with TERA and most likely never will. EME already stated to be against dmg meters (and adding addon capability in TERA, BTW), so this discussion is now about people mainly trying to push EME into supporting dmg meters in TERA. I sincerely doubt it would happen, but still wanted to breath some reason into the community. Not something easy to do...
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AlexSkylark on 04/16/2012, 11:47 AM - view
Except that the dumdums will now DIE and drain the healer's mana trying to deal more DPS, when before they just dealt less-than-awesome DPS.

The problem with this is that when the dumdums start taking dmg to deal more DPS, it's THEIR DPS which will become the referential. Everybody will be expected to deal as much dmg as those idiots because the DPS meter made you into nothing more than a number in a meter, and MOST people will be idiots who take dmg to pump their DPS. this isn't arguable, most people in the playerbase are selfish idiots with no regard to teamwork and their group.

Now you're right in saying that the meter per se is just a tool, and the problem is not in itself, but how it will be used by the playerbase. And you're absolutely right in this affirmation. It's HOW IT WILL BE USED BY THE PLAYERBASE.

It just will to more harm than good, it's not worth it.


Good thing you do less dps if you get hit by bosses in Tera.Most boss attacks knockdown or stun so idiots who get hit on purpose are just going to lower their own dps..
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AlexSkylark on 04/16/2012, 11:58 AM - view
Leiloni on 04/16/2012, 11:48 AM
Re-posting my question from Page 2 since no one answered it - what information does ACT pull from TERA if the in-game combat log shows you next to nothing already?

Leiloni on 04/16/2012, 08:04 AM
Isn't the combat log in TERA very general? As in "you did x damage" and that's it. It doesn't track what skill you used, it doesn't track heals done, it doesn't track damage taken. Its pretty useless as far as I can tell.


Leiloni my dearest, ACT does not work with TERA and most likely never will. EME already stated to be against dmg meters (and adding addon capability in TERA, BTW), so this discussion is now about people mainly trying to push EME into supporting dmg meters in TERA. I sincerely doubt it would happen, but still wanted to breath some reason into the community. Not something easy to do...


Maybe you don't know how ACT works. ACT isn't an addon, it scraps information out of a log file (which pretty much has to be created otherwise you wouldn't be able to go back through chat) and parses the numbers it sees. It will also use a cue like "Battle Begins" and "Battle Ends" to determine start and stop points for parsing.

The only way ACT wouldn't be able to parse Tera is if the logs were encrypted.
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MadcatGTs on 04/16/2012, 11:57 AM - view


It would literally show only how much damage you did over x amount of time. nothing else. As i do think you are right about what the combat log shows. I do know for fact heals don't show up, and i know damage taken and from whom is shown at least in pvp, just does not show what was used to do the damage.


Thank you, that's what I thought.


AlexSkylark on 04/16/2012, 11:58 AM


Leiloni my dearest, ACT does not work with TERA and most likely never will. EME already stated to be against dmg meters (and adding addon capability in TERA, BTW), so this discussion is now about people mainly trying to push EME into supporting dmg meters in TERA. I sincerely doubt it would happen, but still wanted to breath some reason into the community. Not something easy to do...


Someone had said it already works with TERA actually. So I was wondering what the heck it's tracking since the in-game combat logs show next to nothing.