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MadcatGTs on 04/03/2012, 09:32 PM - view
DrakeDragon on 04/03/2012, 09:23 PM
MadcatGTs on 04/03/2012, 09:12 PM
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/guide

This is where you got the definition of Guide. You listed the verb use, Not the noun. Private schools at work.


before you try to correct someone, why don't you point out the actual difference in scientific matter of the two.

the noun states the points i was looking for, which any good debater will suggest you use.


*facepalm* You just proved my point.


stop trying to be a troll, you were doing it earlier and it didn't serve you any good.

obviously in a debate you use terms that would best suit your argument, not ones that would help the other side, aside from that, a noun can be a used as verbs, not in formal reports of documents, but in casual conversations or debates, again, do your homework before trying to correct anyone.

so stop posting off topic with spam/gibberish/offensive content.

if english isn't your native language, then i apologize, otherwise, previous comment still applies.
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Okay ... so after reading this thread, and trying to puzzle piece the moderated parts, then figure out how this became a grammar lesson ... I'm still unsure what the point of this thread is all about.

I mean, I get the OP doesn't like game guides; okay fine, but no one is forced to read them. 9 pages of temper tantrums, rants and moderated posts ... wow.

Dude, you don't like a guide - DON'T READ IT!

I, personally, do. It doesn't make it easy mode, or take the fun out of gaming experience - and it certainly isn't being shoved down anyone's throats. The poster of the guide is not making sure that all community members are viewing the guide, or else they go and kick your puppy ... what a ridiculous statement.

... and I thought the SWTOR forums were full of stupidity; guess this is the overflow room.

Time for something useful, like changing my avatar. Have fun with the guide crusade!
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DrakeDragon on 04/03/2012, 09:36 PM - view

if english isn't your native language, then i apologize, otherwise, previous comment still applies.


Wow, no need to get snarky.

Indeed, you were the one who used terms to best suit your argument. You copy pasted a meaning of guide that suited YOUR agenda.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/guide

This is a link to the whole list, notice:

"Something, such as a pamphlet, that offers basic information or instruction"

What you posted, was a niche definition. You then acted as it is the only definition it can have in this scenario and all other meanings are irrelevant.

This is known as equivocation. Its one of the most illogical fallacies that exist.
Edited by: VenomPhoenix about 1 year ago
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VenomPhoenix on 04/03/2012, 09:36 PM - view
snip


didn't read after the fact you assumed i didn't do anything, i actually subscribe to that site, and simply used a wonderful tool that it has, it's the search option, amazing isn't it?

i didn't claim i know all about it, i know an educated amount of it.

any person can say "i'm in school for this" well, doesn't make it true, the simple fact you think that guides provide more brain function then figuring things out on your own, speaks loud enough for any neurologist that happens to be reading this.

by the way, a neurologist is a person who knows the most about brain functions, not psychologists, again, another mistake you made, which will make the people who know these things doubt everything you say.

and to answer your question
How can you even equate it to a puzzle?
everything in life is a puzzle, if you haven't figured that out yet, i fear for the people you may or may not be speaking with professionally.

figuring out how to put things together to form a whole, is that not a prime example of a puzzle? what exactly are you doing to a character in game? you are piecing together what you want, to form a whole.

a character in a game is an unfinished puzzle, each different, does that make sense yet?

you typing is a puzzle for a computer to figure out infact, actually these letters can be broken down even more, into simple ones and zeros, being put together to form something, the brain works in a similar way computers do, which is why it is often said, that the human mind is a super computer.

everything in life is a puzzle, rather people can place puzzles together easier is due to how they were raised, their surroundings and many other factors, such as PROBLEM SOLVING, which is why games were said to increase brain activity, or did your class skip that lesson?

don't try to lecture me on something you clearly haven't understood yet, if you cannot understand that all things in life can be compared to puzzles, then obviously you aren't as intelligent as you think, not saying you aren't intelligent, but to question that, is in itself mind numbing.
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VenomPhoenix on 04/03/2012, 09:43 PM - view


What you posted, was a niche definition. You then acted as it is the only definition it can have in this scenario and all other meanings are irrelevant.

This is known as equivocation. Its one of the most illogical fallacies that exist.


i posted it to suit my purpose and nothing else, try not to read into actions that aren't there, and i wasn't being snarky, i was actually being serious, i've learned other languages, and i know how extremely difficult it is to speak on par with native speakers.
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DrakeDragon on 04/03/2012, 09:48 PM - view

any person can say "i'm in school for this" well, doesn't make it true, the simple fact you think that guides provide more brain function then figuring things out on your own, speaks loud enough for any neurologist that happens to be reading this.

by the way, a neurologist is a person who knows the most about brain functions, not psychologists, again, another mistake you made, which will make the people who know these things doubt everything you say.


Lol...

1. Im glad to see that you are admitting now that "helping a social worker study once" does not amke you an expert.

2. You obviously do not know what a neurologist does.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurologist

Go read it. They do not study cognitive psychology. (well they might take a minor but they will always refer to a psychologist if it is not physiologically based).

I also never said reading guides somehow provides "more brain function" i said ti doesnt even factor into this argument. It is a red herring. You might think that not reading guides makes you smarter somehow, but until you show me an evidence to the contrary, there is no reason to believe it.

You also do not have anywhere near an "educated amount" of training in psychology. You would never get it from "helping a case worker study once" either. This concept of you thinking you know ANYTHING about psychology because you helped your sister study once is just silly, and borders on narcissistic behaviour.

Are you even going to put effort into your points anymore? I mean, saying a neurologist knows more about cognitive psychology than a cognitive psychologist is patently absurd and clearly wrong. I hope you see this now, and i hope you actually take the time to LEARN what things are before you make such claims in the future.

Again though, you equivocate puzzle to mean a miriad of different things.

As to your point about character builing being a puzzle, you are right in some regards. You could use better terminology but i get the gist.

The issue is that you are failing to understand that no matter where the information comes from, you are learning how to put it all together. It serves no purpose using two skills 50 times each on an enemy to figure out which does the most damage per casting time, when that information is readily available in a guide. It is redundant.

The data collection is no where learning takes place, its in the application of that data that people have to make associations. Even in cookie cutter builds, if someone doesnt want to take the time to understand why each skill should be used, then that is not a fault of the guide, and it is NO different to your suggestion of asking for advice on their rotations.

Asking people will generally have them tell the person why that skill is good, but a guide does as well. It is neither systems fault if a person refuses to learn the classes mechanics. Yes, they will be a bad player, yes, they will hold up groups, but this would happen with or without a guide.

There is no difference between being told the information by someone and reading the information in a guide.

You can masscre psychology and insult me all you wnt, but the fact remains, you have not given ANY reason to ban guides on these forums, like you wanted to happen in your OP.

I dont know why you are so resistant to saying "OK, maybe it was an over-reaction but i still dont like guides".

As a final point, can youplease not edit an entire quote to "snip"? leave at least one sentence so i know which one you are replying to please.
Edited by: VenomPhoenix about 1 year ago
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DrakeDragon on 04/03/2012, 09:51 PM - view
VenomPhoenix on 04/03/2012, 09:43 PM


What you posted, was a niche definition. You then acted as it is the only definition it can have in this scenario and all other meanings are irrelevant.

This is known as equivocation. Its one of the most illogical fallacies that exist.


i posted it to suit my purpose and nothing else, try not to read into actions that aren't there, and i wasn't being snarky, i was actually being serious, i've learned other languages, and i know how extremely difficult it is to speak on par with native speakers.


>"i posted it to suit my purpose"

Pecisely. If you dont understand what is wrong with that then you should read up what equivocation means.

You are attacking one definition of it instead of the real one.
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VenomPhoenix on 04/03/2012, 10:13 PM - view


You can masscre psychology and insult me all you wnt, but the fact remains, you have not given ANY reason to ban guides on these forums, like you wanted to happen in your OP.

I dont know why you are so resistant to saying "OK, maybe it was an over-reaction but i still dont like guides".

As a final point, can youplease not edit an entire quote to "snip"? leave at least one sentence so i know which one you are replying too please.


i helped with more then one study session.

i have said certain "guides" are good, i even pointed out the good points of it, obviously i'm not arrogant to say there is never anything good with them, that should be evident by now, especially since i've replied positively to a few people who said they are helpful.

a neurologist might not take psychology as a major, but they know the brain function very well, which is part of their job, to know which part of the brain does what.

when i snip nearly all of a post, it is either way to long, or i'm replying to the entire thing, i expect people to snip mine down a lot most of the time.

and once again, please refrain from using the terminology "ban" i never used it, nor do i want it to be sorted with what i said.

Are you even going to put effort into your points anymore? I mean, saying a neurologist knows more about cognitive psychology than a cognitive psychologist is patently absurd and clearly wrong.
never said they know more about cognitive psychology, said they know more about brain functions, which is true.

so many psychological problems can be caused by neurological problems, and the reverse can also be said, but not nearly as much, which it is true people do placebo tests due to the power of suggestion, it can not always be the cure for deeper things.

and as i stated earlier, it is more so the end-game content builds that i feel strongly against.

There is no difference between being told the information by someone and reading the information in a guide.

the main difference i can see, and as a person taking psychology you should at least be able to respect this.
the main difference, when something is titled something such as "guide" or something similar, that may imply a certain thing, the general population will automatically read it, and belief what most is said in it, because, guides are things typically published by people having degrees in the area or being apart of the development of such things, which most people might not understand, but does impact their decision making abilities, the power of suggestion is very strong, that is why in my opinion is it best to try things for yourself, before reading such things.

as i said in an earlier post, after you play the game, get the feel for it, test stuff out, and then are having some troubles, then it is okay to consult a guide on it, however, seeking out a guide before attempting something can be very damaging, most the time in the long-run of things.

it can inhibit people, i'm not saying it always will, but it CAN, there is a possibility, and people shouldn't encourage that.
Edited by: DrakeDragon about 1 year ago - Reason: correcting a typo
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VenomPhoenix on 04/03/2012, 10:15 PM - view
DrakeDragon on 04/03/2012, 09:51 PM
VenomPhoenix on 04/03/2012, 09:43 PM


What you posted, was a niche definition. You then acted as it is the only definition it can have in this scenario and all other meanings are irrelevant.

This is known as equivocation. Its one of the most illogical fallacies that exist.


i posted it to suit my purpose and nothing else, try not to read into actions that aren't there, and i wasn't being snarky, i was actually being serious, i've learned other languages, and i know how extremely difficult it is to speak on par with native speakers.


>"i posted it to suit my purpose"

Pecisely. If you dont understand what is wrong with that then you should read up what equivocation means.

You are attacking one definition of it instead of the real one.


ever listen to congress? or presidential debate? these tactics are used daily, and are used specifically for that.
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Alright, I think this has been driven off a cliff already... pretty much to the point where its useless to fight each other mid-air as the fall will kill us all anyway. In better terms, the train has been de-railed (insert de-railed train here) to the point where throats are in danger of being grabbed.

Drake, there is not much you can do when there are people who are willing to put things together for people to understand it more easily. You are afraid of the fact that there is going to be an ultimatum to how things will be done. This is wrong, as there are many different ways to tackle opponents through the spectrum that is your class. Through glyphs, or how you gear your character, there are many ways in which you can still tackle difficulties.

There isn't much you can do when people of intelligence bring together all their data and share it to the public. It is going to happen whether people like it or not, since anything that is helpful toward the player base in a legal manner will always be welcome in the eyes of the publisher. It is an unavoidable outcome, and no matter how hard you protest against it, it will continue to happen.

Venom had a point. His diction was vicious, but either way, his point stands correct. You can keep voicing your opinion all you like, but it won't change the fact that these kind of things will continue to happen. He is also correct in a way that you did contradict your argument. These tips and tricks that you learn from others.. Whats it matter from the mouth it comes from? A guide or a random player, it makes no difference. It remains as a helpful piece of advice that you can use to your advantage.

The uniqueness of your character is already there. Its you. It's hard to find someone that plays exactly like you. You make different mistakes, have different advantages, and overcome difficulties quicker, or slower than others. If you wish to keep the challenge of finding out something yourself, that is fine. It is the kind of thing you want to learn on your own. For everyone else that can't figure it out, or wish to find an easier way of handling, there are others out there who can help, whether it'd be a guide, or another friendly face. The point is that no matter how many people might play the same, you still are a different person. Every player in the game will acknowledge that the moment they see you.

We've been explaining this for a while now, and Venom I believe has had enough of you not listening. Guides a tools players can use to aid in their struggles. Players are still unique in terms of their self-capabilties. If they want to learn on they're own, they can. For everyone else, there are things that they can search for themselves to help.

Edited by: Koltan about 1 year ago