Drake, there is not much you can do when there are people who are willing to put things together for people to understand it more easily. You are afraid of the fact that there is going to be an ultimatum to how things will be done. This is wrong, as there are many different ways to tackle opponents through the spectrum that is your class. Through glyphs, or how you gear your character, there are many ways in which you can still tackle difficulties.

There isn't much you can do when people of intelligence bring together all their data and share it to the public. It is going to happen whether people like it or not, since anything that is helpful toward the player base in a legal manner will always be welcome in the eyes of the publisher. It is an unavoidable outcome, and no matter how hard you protest against it, it will continue to happen.



The uniqueness of your character is already there. Its you. It's hard to find someone that plays exactly like you. You make different mistakes, have different advantages, and overcome difficulties quicker, or slower than others. If you wish to keep the challenge of finding out something yourself, that is fine. It is the kind of thing you want to learn on your own. For everyone else that can't figure it out, or wish to find an easier way of handling, there are others out there who can help, whether it'd be a guide, or another friendly face. The point is that no matter how many people might play the same, you still are a different person. Every player in the game will acknowledge that the moment they see you.

please refrain from using the terminology "ban" i never used it, nor do i want it to be sorted with what i said.

shouldn't be allowed to be plastered on forums, especially the official game forum.

my firm belief that some things should not be on public forums

Don't post these threads on forums

when something is titled something such as "guide" or something similar, that may imply a certain thing, the general population will automatically read it, and belief what most is said in it, because, guides are things typically published by people having degrees in the area or being apart of the development of such things, which most people might not understand

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What you posted, was a niche definition. You then acted as it is the only definition it can have in this scenario and all other meanings are irrelevant.

This is known as equivocation. Its one of the most illogical fallacies that exist.

i posted it to suit my purpose and nothing else, try not to read into actions that aren't there, and i wasn't being snarky, i was actually being serious, i've learned other languages, and i know how extremely difficult it is to speak on par with native speakers.

>"i posted it to suit my purpose"

Pecisely. If you dont understand what is wrong with that then you should read up what equivocation means.

You are attacking one definition of it instead of the real one.

ever listen to congress? or presidential debate? these tactics are used daily, and are used specifically for that.

Venom I believe has had enough of you not listening.

i can respect that, but it isn't so much that i'm afraid of anything as silly as that, it is more so, i feel it is a shame, that people will follow these guides, not all people will, never said all people will, but admittedly a lot of people will.

Koltan: I know you didn't. Still can't stop that from happening. When the public sees a good guide, they will publicize it.

and i'm aware there isn't much i'm able to do about it, but posting my opinion on the matter is not a sign for open-season attack on me, for my opinion, and it still remains true, that guides CAN inhibit peoples behavior.

Koltan: That will vary between individuals. People do change a bit and get some egos when a guide puts them above others. Again, nothing you can do. In terms of posting your opinion, this is the internet after all.

i agree completely, that the uniqueness to each character if designed to a persons personality is already there, that is another thing i find unpleasant about some guides, so people do follow them to the T and those players look like nothing but blank pictures.'

Koltan: Frankly, there is nothing you can do to stop that. Another thing that has to deal with how other players think.

taking information or advice from a person is a lot different then a guide, as i mentioned in my other post, it has more to do on the psychological level of a person though.

Koltan: A guide is still created from a person, or a group of persons who's intention is to aid the community. It is still no different, as the advice that you gain from a guide is still from users, just compiled with other information

Quote: DrakeDragon on 04/03/2012, 10:31 PM

please refrain from using the terminology "ban" i never used it, nor do i want it to be sorted with what i said.

Dude... let me get some quotes from you

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shouldn't be allowed to be plastered on forums, especially the official game forum.

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my firm belief that some things should not be on public forums

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Don't post these threads on forums

Any of these sound familiar?

as for

a neurologist might not take psychology, but they know the brain function very well, which is part of their job, to know which part of the brain does what.

They are not cognitive psychologists, you raised them because you thought, for some reaosn, they knew more about psychology than psychologists. They dont.

You also have the mistaken impressions that neurologists focus on the brain... they do not... they focus on neurons...

Biopsychology is what you are looking for. This is the field that deals with the mechanical and physiological causes of behaviour, and includes things such as associative pathways, neurological basis of cognition, and developmental pathways, which is what i think you mean by "brain functions".

Please, just stop commenting on psychology and neuroscience, you have no idea what you are talking about and it has no need to be in this discussion.

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when something is titled something such as "guide" or something similar, that may imply a certain thing, the general population will automatically read it, and belief what most is said in it, because, guides are things typically published by people having degrees in the area or being apart of the development of such things, which most people might not understand

This could not be more wrong....

I wish ti WAS true, persuasion techniques would be so much simpler then.

"Guide" does not have the connotation of infallability, i dont knwo where you got that idea. Who has a degree in "being an archer in TERA" anyway. People with degrees do not write "guides", they write papers, articles, reviews and the like.

If you want to claim that the general population thinks "guides" are almost alwaays exclusively made by intelligent people, and that they should follow them to the letter, then i must aask for your source in this matter.

Your personal experience?

An internet poll with 20 responses?

If someone reads ANYTHING, regardless of what it is, mindlessly believes it and practices it without confirming its validity, then they are simply NOT a good player, and, in this scenario, following a guide would probably be the best idea for them anyway as it is clear they have no ability to reason in the first place and come to a viable build of their own.

Again, show me any evidence at all supporting the view that game guides make people bad players, AND/OR that there is a good reason for them to be banned.

Quote: DrakeDragon on 04/03/2012, 10:59 PM

i can respect that, but it isn't so much that i'm afraid of anything as silly as that, it is more so, i feel it is a shame, that people will follow these guides, not all people will, never said all people will, but admittedly a lot of people will.

Koltan: I know you didn't. Still can't stop that from happening. When the public sees a good guide, they will publicize it.

and i'm aware there isn't much i'm able to do about it, but posting my opinion on the matter is not a sign for open-season attack on me, for my opinion, and it still remains true, that guides CAN inhibit peoples behavior.

Koltan: That will vary between individuals. People do change a bit and get some egos when a guide puts them above others. Again, nothing you can do. In terms of posting your opinion, this is the internet after all.

i agree completely, that the uniqueness to each character if designed to a persons personality is already there, that is another thing i find unpleasant about some guides, so people do follow them to the T and those players look like nothing but blank pictures.'

Koltan: Frankly, there is nothing you can do to stop that. Another thing that has to deal with how other players think.

taking information or advice from a person is a lot different then a guide, as i mentioned in my other post, it has more to do on the psychological level of a person though.

Koltan: A guide is still created from a person, or a group of persons who's intention is to aid the community. It is still no different, as the advice that you gain from a guide is still from users, just compiled with other information

Responses in quote marked with my name before the text.

yep, nothing i can do, but it doesn't mean i can't state my opinion, millions of others do it, as i said first, it was my opinion, i never said i wanted something done about it, it was ALL my opinion.

the biggest mistake a lot of people made was that they thought i was trying to get it banned, never asked for it to be changed at all, or said it should be banned, i stated my opinion that it shouldnt be on forums, never said the rules should be changed to ban such stuff.

i was being fairly respectful at first towards phoenix, only the last few posts, because he refused to even acknowledge my point of view, and pretty much said, neurologists don't deal with the brain....i lost respect all together after that.

he refuses to understand people or even respect their opinions, i've always said i respected other peoples opinions when they posted even said i like their posts, he has yet to do any of this, which shows very snobbish attitude, obviously thinks he is above everyone else because of the job he is apparently training for.

all my points are valid, ask any actual doctor what inhibiting someones willingness to make choices on their own can do to a person, you'll be rather shocked at the answer.

i can listen just fine, does not mean i will go "okay i agree with you all now" if that is what people expected, i'm not a sheep, i don't follow people, none of his arguments were even solid, he only ever offered his point of view, i went beyond and above to point out the good/bad of both things, and still he said "nope you're wrong, you're stupid shut up" ---summary of what he said.


when he first started replying, figured he was just drunk or high, now i can see, like many other things, he was just born that way.


i'm able to respect other peoples opinions and even agree with what they say, that is the biggest difference between him and me.