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DrakeDragon on 04/03/2012, 02:39 PM - view


Opinions are one thing, saying it is a "Guide" is something completely different.


Guides are just that, a guide. If you have an issue with the content of a guide, then dont follow it.

all my posts have been very polite, if you cannot treat people with that type of respect, do not expect it in return.


No you werent, you once threatened me with an account suspension.

But again, nobody insulted you. You are indeed being very stubborn expecting everyone to not post guides nor read them.

I like guides, they often show an approach to a class i hadnt thought of trying. Most often guides will contain alternatives, you can either do x, y, or even z if you like.

There is no problem with guides. They are there to maximise your effectiveness. If you are getting yelled at for your build, prove them wrong, show them you can be effective, but bear in mind that purposefully gimping yourself for the sake of it is incredibly selfish. When i am part fo a group i want to contribute to it and make their experience a better one.

To do that i need to do extensive testing on my behalf, build a solid foundation of my class through reading guides on it and learning the actual mechanics, and practicing at the game until ican contribute to the best of my ability.

Removing guides for the sake of whatever your issue is is just nonsense.
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[quote name='IIIIIRainIIIII' at='04/03/2012, 02:43 PM'][quote name='DrakeDragon' at='04/02/2012, 09:08 PM']

The range of player opinions is hyper dynamic. So I guess we'd have to agree to disagree :P

See you on the battlefield. Unless of course... never mind, I'll stop there.[/quote]

as i've said later on, i enjoy pvp, just as much as the other people, but i enjoy respectful bouts, not ego-boosting things, that takes the fun out of it i think.

if someone beats me, i'll say good fight, and move on, i won't stick on it, i won't talk badly about them, and same goes if i win, i say good fight, and move on.

competitiveness is a good quality because it keeps people playing and pushes them that extra mile, and yes people will do as people do, i'm not saying they shouldn't but i'm saying be respectful towards other people, don't drill them, don't rage on them, don't troll, if you don't like the way that person plays, avoid them, tis what i do.

mostly this was about letting people play the game to get the feel for it, before telling people "okay do this and this and youll do great"....well....that part of the game, discovering all that is now gone.

i enjoy the thrill of being able to discover stuff, messing up, having to fix stuff, having to cover up weaknesses, all that gives the game that extra rush.

later on when i'm done enjoying the pve of the game, the nice graphics of the game, the excitement of it all, i'll probably be strictly pvp and remake a character for just pvp, but until then, i'm enjoying the art work, story line and everything else, i'll have a friendly bout now and then, but only if the person is respectable and not going to be a troll or ego'er.
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DrakeDragon on 04/02/2012, 09:08 PM - view


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Thank you for the people who took the time to read it, be polite, don't troll, and always tip your waitresses/waiters.

I say let people use guides if they want, nothing wrong with it because a mature adult can ignore it if they choose without taking away from someone who doesn't care/have the time to research a build. I personally tailor my build to my playstyle and don't use a guide as the absolute authority. I also don't listen to anyone who tries to call me out if I run a build that isn't standard because my skill will stand on its own merit and not some random idiots opinion (I do not totally ignore guides because I am not going to rule out the possibility that someone knows better than I do).

TBH there is no reason to "omg ban guides QQ" unless you just want to cause more unecessary forum dram
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VenomPhoenix on 04/03/2012, 02:50 PM - view
DrakeDragon on 04/03/2012, 02:39 PM


Opinions are one thing, saying it is a "Guide" is something completely different.


Guides are just that, a guide. If you have an issue with the content of a guide, then dont follow it.

all my posts have been very polite, if you cannot treat people with that type of respect, do not expect it in return.


No you werent, you once threatened me with an account suspension.

But again, nobody insulted you. You are indeed being very stubborn expecting everyone to not post guides nor read them.

I like guides, they often show an approach to a class i hadnt thought of trying. Most often guides will contain alternatives, you can either do x, y, or even z if you like.

There is no problem with guides. They are there to maximise your effectiveness. If you are getting yelled at for your build, prove them wrong, show them you can be effective, but bear in mind that purposefully gimping yourself for the sake of it is incredibly selfish. When i am part fo a group i want to contribute to it and make their experience a better one.

To do that i need to do extensive testing on my behalf, build a solid foundation of my class through reading guides on it and learning the actual mechanics, and practicing at the game until ican contribute to the best of my ability.

Removing guides for the sake of whatever your issue is is just nonsense.


i'm not saying to remove them, i said, if people want to use them go for it, just try to keep it private or something else, helpful tips on builds, as i said, i'm all for that, everyone requires help.

i never threatened to get anyone suspended, i just informed that trolling is against the rules, and to please stop doing it, never meant it as a threat. i was told by a GM that it is against the rules, i didn't make that up at all.

and i agree, making a gimp character for the sake of gimping a group, or party wiping is highly rude, i strongly think people should read about the game, classes and races before playing the game at all, i think it is common sense, i know a lot of people don't do that.

if a person is bad at the game, they will be bad at the game regardless until they take the time to learn the mechanics, learning the basics of anything is the best way to start, if you had posted this post at the start, i would have had a lot more respect for you, i enjoy reading actual opinions and feedback, i love it, i like picking peoples brains, getting a feel for a person, and getting to know them.

i'm against the guides because people start the game months after launch, and don't read the basics, and only follow the guides, that is mainly what i'm against. if people play the game, get a feel for it, then afterwards want the help, i think in my opinion that is the best thing to do, because then you already know the basics and how to handle the game, i think people read a little too much or a too little into my original post.
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Not sure what you are saying but to me it sounds like you don't like others posting saying, "Here is the best rotation to use. Spec. etc." Well hate to break it to you but these people actually take time and do spreadsheets on everything possible and just share the info to those who want the best spec they can. If you just want to have fun and do which specs you like then no one is stopping you but don't cry and say people shouldn't post it for others. If you pvp or pve most want the best out put they can get.
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xkLoNex on 04/03/2012, 02:58 PM - view
DrakeDragon on 04/02/2012, 09:08 PM


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Thank you for the people who took the time to read it, be polite, don't troll, and always tip your waitresses/waiters.

I say let people use guides if they want, nothing wrong with it because a mature adult can ignore it if they choose without taking away from someone who doesn't care/have the time to research a build. I personally tailor my build to my playstyle and don't use a guide as the absolute authority. I also don't listen to anyone who tries to call me out if I run a build that isn't standard because my skill will stand on its own merit and not some random idiots opinion (I do not totally ignore guides because I am not going to rule out the possibility that someone knows better than I do).

TBH there is no reason to "omg ban guides QQ" unless you just want to cause more unecessary forum dram

love your post, and i like the way you play the game, i don't mean to come across as to say ban them, but don't post them as guides, post them as opinions or helpful tips, if people are having trouble, post a helpful thread explaining what a class+race combo can do, their pros and cons, and all the info, a helpful thread i feel has a different feel to it, then the ones named "Guide"
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DrakeDragon on 04/03/2012, 02:59 PM - view

i'm not saying to remove them, i said, if people want to use them go for it, just try to keep it private or something else


"it if my opinion and my firm belief that some things should not be on public forums, such as game-ruining posts."

Stop trying to impose your will on an internet forum.

Class guides dont belong on a forum about the game? Could you be any more sheltered?

You dont like them, then dont read them. Simple.
Edited by: VenomPhoenix about 1 year ago
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[quote name='VenomPhoenix' at='04/03/2012, 03:03 PM'][quote name='DrakeDragon' at='04/03/2012, 02:59 PM']
i'm not saying to remove them, i said, if people want to use them go for it, just try to keep it private or something else[/quote

"it if my opinion and my firm belief that some things should not be on public forums, such as game-ruining posts."

Stop trying to impose your will on an internet forum.

Class guides dont belong on a forum about the game? Could you be any more sheltered?

You dont like them, then dont read them. Simple.[/quote]

same can be said for every thread on every forum...don't like them don't read or post...for some reason people still seem too....haven't figured out why...

and again..my opinion......i'm not a person making massive threads saying to change it..like the silly Elin armor threads out there....just stating an opinion...if people dont agree and can't be civil...please don't comment, a simple request.

also, it isn't about being sheltered, just don't like seeing people join a game months after or even years after its released and not reading anything about the game except for guides...i feel it defeats the purpose of playing the game.

"Well, just heard of the game, know nothing about it, but hey! look a guide to build a perfect character! well 70% of my work is done for me" honestly...if you don't find that lame, seriously..what do you find lame?

it's almost like reading the last three chapters of a book to figure out the end.
Edited by: DrakeDragon about 1 year ago - Reason: adding onto it.
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DrakeDragon on 04/03/2012, 03:03 PM - view


love your post, and i like the way you play the game, i don't mean to come across as to say ban them, but don't post them as guides, post them as opinions or helpful tips, if people are having trouble, post a helpful thread explaining what a class+race combo can do, their pros and cons, and all the info, a helpful thread i feel has a different feel to it, then the ones named "Guide"

I see, I must have misinterpreted - my bad.

Anyway, my personal opinion is that calling something a guide is fine. If it is giving the basics of a class and/or a cookie cutter build that is commonly thought to be a good build than it serves as a fine guide for a player who doesn't want to delve deeper into building a character. Guides do exactly what they should do, provide advice and a sense of direction on where to take something. Nothing wrong with helpful threads or guides imo - they serve slightly different purposes though
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DrakeDragon on 04/03/2012, 03:11 PM - view
i'm not a person making massive threads saying to change it..


Whats it like, living in your own world? YOU ARE making threads about it, oh lol....



"Well, just heard of the game, know nothing about it, but hey! look a guide to build a perfect character! well 70% of my work is done for me" honestly...if you don't find that lame, seriously..what do you find lame?


Its hardly 70%, but yes, i do like this logic. Not everyone has to spend the time figuring out the specific mechanics, which can often take large groups of people playtesting to figure out. But the best aprt about TERA is that... wait for it...

TERA IS NOT WoW!!!

Yay, cake for everyoen *rejoice*. WoW was all about stanidng in one spot and doing a rotation, TERA is not. Its about fluid combat, timing, positioning, tactis and various other complex tasks.

Combat effectiveness comes from practice and skill in TERA (inb4 gear), not your rotation.

Everyone needs a starting point on knowing how a class plays, EXACTLY how abilities work, and what strategies have proven to be successful.

Your whole argument falls apart for two reasons:

1) you dont have to read the guide if it would ruin your gaming experience. You are free to playtest everything yourself, just dont get upset when people point out an obviously better way fo doign somethign that you seem to have missed (because nobody ever gets it right the first time).

2) there is nothing stopping you from going a different direction to the guide. You think the guide has missed something? Are there other ways to do it just as effectively? Then do it, and get credit for a novel way of doing something.

Guides are just that, a guide.
Edited by: Yurian about 1 year ago - Reason: Name calling