Can't change GM's, terrible.

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Forgive me if this miss information. If anyone knows that there is another way please let me know.


Currently, If you are a guild holding Vanarchy. You can not change GM without not running for Vanarchy. Meaning to change GM is a 3week + process as you have to remove yourself from putting forth a candidate.

Multiple Game masters have been asked and so far they are all saying they can't change GM because they unsure if that will break their own game.

This is an issue for many guilds who have fallen under the affects of GM's going permanently afk due to other games such as Diablo 3, or just guilds that wish to change hands.



Anyone have a solution or is this terrible system really this terrible?


The request is to be able to change GM during the registration period of Vanarchy. Via having a game master do it for you, or being able to do it ourselves.

So I'm editing OP again just to super duper double clarify, no one wants to change who has Vanarchy. We wish to be able to change who runs for Vanarchy during Elections without the rest of the guild getting knocked off the map for 3+ weeks.

Some may argue that a 3+week wait is the punishment for changing GM, however no game master has stated this is why they can't do it. They have only stated they can't do it out of fear of damage to the servers.

Goodluck with your discussions and please try to avoid missing the point :)

Edited by: Jemila 12 months ago
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How about leave the guild? If the GM is that irresponsible you shouldn't be with him in his guild to begin with. Stop being such a child and saying things are terrible and do the rational thing.
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Scythes on 06/10/2012, 10:58 AM - view
How about leave the guild? If the GM is that irresponsible you shouldn't be with him in his guild to begin with. Stop being such a child and saying things are terrible and do the rational thing.


Hey there, I tried to find another way to word this but failed. You are an idiot.

I'm not part of a guild with this issue. But I know of many who are suffering from this problem. Gm's who left to play another guild leave a guild full of amazing people who shouldn't have to suffer.

Fantastic officers and 200 active members who get screwed over by this, they should be able to continue without rebuilding guild and or being penalised in the political system which is a large part of what this game revolves around.

Moving on : )

Edited by: Jemila 12 months ago
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You shouldn't run for Vanarch if you can't commit 3 weeks to filling the position, plain and simple. You know ahead of time how long it's going to run. The game should not have to work around player irresponsibility.
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What a great community, so helpful.

If you have no option to swap GMS that is only more proof how big a joke this game is.

Aion 2.0 and F2p by Fall, and yes it will be.

This game may have action combat like god of war or Dark souls but atleast those games are fun and don't waste my time. OH and Not P2P holy [filtered]tttttttt.
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Jemila on 06/10/2012, 11:07 AM - view
Scythes on 06/10/2012, 10:58 AM
How about leave the guild? If the GM is that irresponsible you shouldn't be with him in his guild to begin with. Stop being such a child and saying things are terrible and do the rational thing.


Hey there, I tried to find another way to word this but failed. You are an idiot.

I'm not part of a guild with this issue. But I know of many who are suffering from this problem. Gm's who left to play another guild leave a guild full of amazing people who shouldn't have to suffer.

Fantastic officers and 200 active members who get screwed over by this, they should be able to continue without rebuilding guild and or being penalised in the political system which is a large part of what this game revolves around.

Moving on : )



And you seem to believe that people are entitled to things they are, in fact, not. I'll break it down for you:

The guild leader disappears. This is not En Masse's responsibility to do anything about. Perhaps the guild leader left for some time to do whatever he needed to do. Could be an accident? Who are they to say who the leadership should go to? Maybe it would go to someone that you guys vote for, but again: Not their responsibility. It's all player policing.

Say the guild holds a vanarch position? Handing over the title to someone who was not voted for is obviously against the whole voting process and against what players would want. Again, not their responsibility.

So, again, I will say you are acting like a child and add that you are undeserving of any sort of explanation and out of my good graces decided to give you simple one.
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Oh man you guys /facepalm. Issue is how can a guild recover from this not "LOL GM SHOULDN'T HAVE RUN" Captain hindsight is all well and good. You are totally right here, but can't exactly tell that to the perfect GM everyone loved that suddenly vanished completely randomly anyhow. Nor should a guild full of fantastic people have to suffer.

Nor should a guild that has had a GM that has had an emergency, that wishes to change GM without punishing the guild.

Everyone knows when playing online your best friend can screw you over for reason x y z, out of no where without anyone seeing it come. This is pretty standard occurances online.

Have a bit more open minded common sense people :)



Back to addressing the rather simple situation.
Anyone have a solution or is this terrible system really this terrible?
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Jemila on 06/10/2012, 11:07 AM - view
Scythes on 06/10/2012, 10:58 AM
How about leave the guild? If the GM is that irresponsible you shouldn't be with him in his guild to begin with. Stop being such a child and saying things are terrible and do the rational thing.


Hey there, I tried to find another way to word this but failed. You are an idiot.

I'm not part of a guild with this issue. But I know of many who are suffering from this problem. Gm's who left to play another guild leave a guild full of amazing people who shouldn't have to suffer.

Fantastic officers and 200 active members who get screwed over by this, they should be able to continue without rebuilding guild and or being penalised in the political system which is a large part of what this game revolves around.

Moving on : )



I would say he's absolutely right. If they started swapping it like you wanted eventually someone would wind up in the position that wasn't supposed to have it. Personally I'm glad they are staying out of this.

The problems that could be caused by griefing members of guilds is just far to large and would affect far to many people.

You haven't thought this through. Basically people are asking them to make this change without input from the original creator.

If I was them I wouldn't be doing it either. In order not to personally insult you, I would probably tell you some stupid story about how it might 'break the game' too. Rather than just tell you the truth, that I can't take your word for something that has to do with another user account.

...and that would be the irresponsible move to make.
The reality is they can't trust you or anyone else to act on behalf of another person. This is the lying thieving internet after all.
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Jemila on 06/10/2012, 11:23 AM - view
Oh man you guys /facepalm. Issue is how can a guild recover from this not "LOL GM SHOULDN'T HAVE RUN" Captain hindsight is all well and good. You are totally right here, but can't exactly tell that to the perfect GM everyone loved that suddenly vanished completely randomly anyhow. Nor should a guild full of fantastic people have to suffer.

Nor should a guild that has had a GM that has had an emergency, that wishes to change GM without punishing the guild.

Everyone knows when playing online your best friend can screw you over for reason x y z, out of no where without anyone seeing it come. This is pretty standard occurances online.

Have a bit more open minded common sense people :)



Back to addressing the rather simple situation.
Anyone have a solution or is this terrible system really this terrible?


What permissions does your GM have that your officers don't have? My guild has it so that multiple people can invite to the guild and a select few people can access the Gbank. That was the foresight. Your problem sounds like a foresight issue with the guild itself, rather than an issue that EME failed to take care of.
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Scythes on 06/10/2012, 11:22 AM - view

And you seem to believe that people are entitled to things they are, in fact, not. I'll break it down for you:

The guild leader disappears. This is not En Masse's responsibility to do anything about. Perhaps the guild leader left for some time to do whatever he needed to do. Could be an accident? Who are they to say who the leadership should go to? Maybe it would go to someone that you guys vote for, but again: Not their responsibility. It's all player policing.

Say the guild holds a vanarch position? Handing over the title to someone who was not voted for is obviously against the whole voting process and against what players would want. Again, not their responsibility.

So, again, I will say you are acting like a child and add that you are undeserving of any sort of explanation and out of my good graces decided to give you simple one.


Hey there angry confused man :) Guilds wish to change GM then put that new gm forth for election without having to skip the entire 3week + process.

A guild can be formed 1 hour before putting forth GM for election and still run for Vanarchy. However a guild that previously had run can not and they do not wish to rebuild guild for this nor suffer in the political system for such a simple thing.


EDIT: You are asking what permissions officers don't have that Gm does? wow.... you living under a rock? This is one of the biggest gripes in the forums right now -_-* why are you even posting :(

EDIT2: Some guilds even have the current GM asking to have this done.
Edited by: Jemila 12 months ago