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HTakara82 Profile Options #131

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Can you vendor all your goods and send me all your gold? I'd really appreciate it, I'll show you some other great games to occupy your mind as well ;)
Mircat Profile Options #132

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[quote name='Crumplecorn' at='05/17/2012, 11:44 AM'][quote name='Crossus' at='05/17/2012, 11:41 AM'Again, if you want the skins, you can pay for them OR not.[/quote]I already have paid for them. They just want more.

[quote name='Mircat' at='05/17/2012, 11:43 AM']The definition of idiots and ripping off is as difficult to define as entitlement.[/quote]I define paying for the same thing more than once as (one form of) being ripped off.

Gee, that was hard.[/quote]

And I don't, because I define them as extraneous and not with what I bought: the base game.

See? We disagree over definitions.
Retsopmi Profile Options #133

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Crumplecorn on 05/17/2012, 11:37 AM - view
Retsopmi on 05/17/2012, 11:34 AM
There is no obligation from a company to do more then what they state they will do.
Of course not. That's where customers not being idiots and not allowing themselves to be ripped off come in.


That isn't what you are arguing though. You argued that what they are selling should be yours because of buying the game AND paying a monthly fee. You are saying the company is obligated to do this.

Now you are saying they aren't obligated. So which is it? Are they obligated to provide you everything they make or not?

See you have trolled so much you forgot all your twisting and bending. At the end you just contradict yourself and look the fool.

As for being ripped off. It's not possible in this situation. Do you not agree with the price? Fine. Are you required to buy it? Nope. Have they met their obligations? Yep. So no possibility to be ripped off. You can't change the facts.


Crumplecorn on 05/17/2012, 11:44 AM
Crossus on 05/17/2012, 11:41 AM
Again, if you want the skins, you can pay for them OR not.
I already have paid for them. They just want more.

Mircat on 05/17/2012, 11:43 AM
The definition of idiots and ripping off is as difficult to define as entitlement.
I define paying for the same thing more than once as (one form of) being ripped off.

Gee, that was hard.


Actually it has been factually proven you haven't already paid for them. Go look at the original game files. Those skins aren't in there. Since they aren't in there you haven't paid for them at all. Hence you can't double pay and can't be ripped off.
Edited by: Retsopmi about 1 year ago
Crumplecorn Profile Options #134

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Mircat on 05/17/2012, 11:48 AM - view
And I don't, because I define them as extraneous and not with what I bought: the base game.
There's two versions of the game? News to me.


Retsopmi on 05/17/2012, 11:48 AM
That isn't what you are arguing though. You argued that what they are selling should be yours because of buying the game AND paying a monthly fee. You are saying the company is obligated to do this.

Now you are saying they aren't obligated. So which is it? Are they obligated to provide you everything they make or not?

See you have trolled so much you forgot all your twisting and bending. At the end you just contradict yourself and look the fool.

As for being ripped off. It's not possible in this situation. Do you not agree with the price? Fine. Are you required to buy it? Nope. Have they met their obligations? Yep. So no possibility to be ripped off. You can't change the facts.
I never said they were obligated to do anything. In fact I believe I've stated on several occastions that they can do whatever they want. I'm sorry you can't follow my posts. I can't make it any simpler for you.

And of course you can be ripped off. Trying to define being ripped off out of existence achieves nothing.
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I got my lancer skin. Looks nice. Seen one other person with it. Checked my checking account, didn't look like it even moved compared to o say the mortgage, electric bill, Cable ie. internet, Mobile bill, gas bill, Subs for other MMOs, gym memberships, netflix, even the water bill. O wait... looks like it did take the place of lunch out for a day... DRAATS!
Mircat Profile Options #136

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Crumplecorn on 05/17/2012, 11:53 AM - view
Mircat on 05/17/2012, 11:48 AM
And I don't, because I define them as extraneous and not with what I bought: the base game.
There's two versions of the game? News to me.


Retsopmi on 05/17/2012, 11:48 AM
That isn't what you are arguing though. You argued that what they are selling should be yours because of buying the game AND paying a monthly fee. You are saying the company is obligated to do this.

Now you are saying they aren't obligated. So which is it? Are they obligated to provide you everything they make or not?

See you have trolled so much you forgot all your twisting and bending. At the end you just contradict yourself and look the fool.

As for being ripped off. It's not possible in this situation. Do you not agree with the price? Fine. Are you required to buy it? Nope. Have they met their obligations? Yep. So no possibility to be ripped off. You can't change the facts.
I never said they were obligated to do anything. In fact I believe I've stated on several occastions that they can do whatever they want. I'm sorry you can't follow my posts. I can't make it any simpler for you.

And of course you can be ripped off. Trying to define being ripped off out of existence achieves nothing.


When you can prove that the files were with the base game files before any patches, I will admit I am wrong. Until then, though, I will argue my point. These files were not in the game that we paid for originally, and therefore, are extraneous content.
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Crumplecorn on 05/17/2012, 11:53 AM - view
Mircat on 05/17/2012, 11:48 AM
And I don't, because I define them as extraneous and not with what I bought: the base game.
There's two versions of the game? News to me.


Retsopmi on 05/17/2012, 11:48 AM
That isn't what you are arguing though. You argued that what they are selling should be yours because of buying the game AND paying a monthly fee. You are saying the company is obligated to do this.

Now you are saying they aren't obligated. So which is it? Are they obligated to provide you everything they make or not?

See you have trolled so much you forgot all your twisting and bending. At the end you just contradict yourself and look the fool.

As for being ripped off. It's not possible in this situation. Do you not agree with the price? Fine. Are you required to buy it? Nope. Have they met their obligations? Yep. So no possibility to be ripped off. You can't change the facts.
I never said they were obligated to do anything. In fact I believe I've stated on several occastions that they can do whatever they want. I'm sorry you can't follow my posts. I can't make it any simpler for you.

And of course you can be ripped off. Trying to define being ripped off out of existence achieves nothing.


Actually we have this great thing called the English language. In this language words have specific meanings. Since these words have meanings, they must be used correctly. You can't be ripped off (which means literally offered one thing and given something less then what you paid for) if they have met all their obligations.

What you CAN do is dislike it. Don't mistake disliking something for being ripped off. Use words correctly and it is amazing what happens.

Also you have stated MANY times that you feel they haven't done what they are obligated to. You have stated you think your sub entitles your to ALL future content the game provides. I have factually proven that you aren't entitled to that. That the weapon skins are NOT part of any fee you have already paid. Thus you are wrong.
Crumplecorn Profile Options #138

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[quote name='Mircat' at='05/17/2012, 11:56 AM'][quote name='Crumplecorn' at='05/17/2012, 11:53 AM']When you can prove that the files were with the base game files before any patches, I will admit I am wrong. Until then, though, I will argue my point. These files were not in the game that we paid for originally, and therefore, are extraneous content.[/quote]Irrelevant. We pay past the base payment.


[quote name='Retsopmi' at='05/17/2012, 11:59 AM']Also you have stated MANY times that you feel they haven't done what they are obligated to. You have stated you think your sub entitles your to ALL future content the game provides. I have factually proven that you aren't entitled to that. That the weapon skins are NOT part of any fee you have already paid. Thus you are wrong.[/quote]Until you can understand the difference between holding a position and being able to justify that position, you, well, won't be able to understand.
Retsopmi Profile Options #139

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How do you always manage to break the quotes?

Anyways. You have been proven wrong. So wrong in fact that I now lay claim to all your unborn children in your bloodline for 5 generations. So that they may be fixed and this way of thinking can be one step closer to extinction.
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Mircat Profile Options #140

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Crumplecorn on 05/17/2012, 12:04 PM - view
Mircat on 05/17/2012, 11:56 AM
When you can prove that the files were with the base game files before any patches, I will admit I am wrong. Until then, though, I will argue my point. These files were not in the game that we paid for originally, and therefore, are extraneous content.
Irrelevant. We pay past the base payment.


Please explain to me how this is irrelevant, as this was a point in your argument, after all. For if they were not in the base files, then you didn't pay for them.

Any seasoned MMO player will tell you that the sub price is for maintenance, server costs, customer service... The technical stuff. Most people don't realize how much the pricing is. Have you looked into it, yet? It's why I buy the vanity items.

Extraneous content like this allows content patches to be pushed out faster, because the business actually has a greater income. I am by no means a business expert, but this is common sense. And I'm not the only one who has posted about this.

I'm going to go argue with my wall, now. This has been stated repeatedly in the forums, already.