@EME regarding Race unbalance

Slothicious Profile Options #11

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thunder strike skill reach more or less all lands on the same spot. The OP doesn't see how it works.

There is 22 page thread detailing this, go read the people who have already worked on more details than QQ'ing cluelessly lolololoh
Edited by: Slothicious about 1 year ago
fhoeng Profile Options #12

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Why is it ALWAYS about berserker?

What about slayer elin? Warrior elin? Archer elin?

Come on, if you are going to moan, at least moan about more classes than just zerkers. (and do it sexily)
VenomPhoenix Profile Options #13

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Slothicious on 04/24/2012, 11:30 AM - view
thunder strike skill reach more or less all lands on the same spot. The OP doesn't see how it works.

There is 22 page thread detailing this, go read the people who have already worked on more details than QQ'ing cluelessly lolololoh


thunderstrike does NOT land ont he same spot. There is acytually about a 2.5 metre range between the max and low range for various races.
BorisD Profile Options #14

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I apologize for being off topic but it's somewhat related... hitting an elin as a baraka slayer with an overhead strike sucks. It just sucks.
Slothicious Profile Options #15

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The visual and actual hit cel are at different locations and the difference isn't as wide as people are making it out to be without investigating.
Hollis2012 Profile Options #16

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Slothicious on 04/24/2012, 11:50 AM - view
The visual and actual hit cel are at different locations and the difference isn't as wide as people are making it out to be without investigating.


Can you stop talking out of your [filtered] please.

when i listed
aman 6m
human 7m
elin 8m

this is the distance that HITS as I have tested with others multiple times. doubt you even played berserker.
Slothicious Profile Options #17

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when i listed
aman 8m
human 6m
elin 7m

this is the distance that HITS as I have tested with others multiple times. doubt you even played berserker.

It must be true because I typed it on the internet.

Provide SS etc.

Oh also, L2 Search threads. This isn't new, there's threads exceeding 20+ pages on this that're fairly recent.
Hollis2012 Profile Options #18

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Slothicious on 04/24/2012, 12:01 PM - view
when i listed
aman 8m
human 6m
elin 7m

this is the distance that HITS as I have tested with others multiple times. doubt you even played berserker.

It must be true because I typed it on the internet.

Provide SS etc.

Oh also, L2 Search threads. This isn't new, there's threads exceeding 20+ pages on this that're fairly recent.



here you go now. so now what? im sure this won't shut you up.
interested to hear what you are goin to say next haha
Edited by: Hollis2012 about 1 year ago
Reonius Profile Options #19

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skyzzang on 04/24/2012, 11:02 AM - view

Some I realized from Aphotic were Fang/Olly and few I cant remember.


Ok, list someone who matters, not 2 people whoa aren't even in a top 10 guild on VoT.

If you want to complain about something, how about complaing about how Berserkers are such a terrible class in PvP compared to Warriors and Slayers.

Besides, those Amani/Human/Baraka racial abilities absolutely trounce the Elin racials, so even if your complaint about attacks speed and range is true (it isn't), it is ofset by these racials.

Cyborgschatz Profile Options #20

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Here's a video of people testing the move distances of every race. When they do the lancer test, they also test out the attack range of all the races. With lancer at least, the "worst distance" is held by Aman females and Baraka, with High elves having the longest reach and the rest having a 6-7 yard range.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2JiSlcjVBc

What I am wondering about (just because I haven't seen anyone else talk about it yet) is where is the anchor point for the cross hairs to measure how far away a target is. Does the range identifier go from the outermost point of your hit box the the closest side of the enemy hit box, or does it go from a center point in the middle of your hit box to the center point of the targets hit box, or some combination of the middle of one to the outside of the other?

If every character model had the exact same size hit box, this wouldn't matter so much, but as we know, the races and mobs have a wide variety of sizes to choose from. Then take into consideration the reach of your attacks, and if their range is a measured value then where does that measurement take place from.


Say the value for the length of the first auto attack is 8m. If the measurement takes place from a point on the outer edge of your hit box, and the range finder measures from the outside edge of your hit box to the edge mobs hit box when the range finder says 8m you should reach. However if the range finder measures from the edge of your box to the edge of the mobs box, and your attack range is measured from the center point of your hit box, if your character has a 2m square length/width the 8m attack will lose 1m going from the center of the hit box to the outer edge.

So, if that scenario (or any such similar variant of it) plays out you could end up with a situation like this:
You take an elin and a baraka lancer and give them an 8m attack range from their respective center points. Then you give the elin a 1m square hit box and the baraka a 3m square hit box, and put them so that their respective center points are 9m away from each other. The elin hitbox is safe, being effectively half a meter out of the range of the baraka's attack. However the elin would end up hitting the baraka since his hit box extends 1.5m from the center point into the 8m range of the elin's attack.

Every race could potentially have the exact same attack length, but due to hit box sizes and how the range finder actually finds it's points of measure it can give off the illusion that some have longer/shorter reaches, when in actuality it is the size of the hit box that is throwing off the distance.

Or it could be even more confusing and be a combination of a situation like I have explained above, AND the races have different values for their ranges. This is all conjecture on my part, I unfortunately don't have any hard evidence to back it up. It's merely something to think about since truthfully there's nothing we can do about it, it's up to EME to look into it if they feel it is truly necessary. Honestly though, with the amount of movement and the slight variation between the supposed range differences it truly doesn't seem like that big of a deal.

I understand the OP's annoyance at it, I just don't feel that it is so great a difference that it could warrant a race reroll just to stay competitive in PVP or PVE. Sure you may just barely miss an attack occasionally, but the game is way to sporadic and fast for anyone to reliably always attack in a manner that allowed them to hit you without you hitting them with you both being the same class with different races.

Edited by: Cyborgschatz about 1 year ago