@EME regarding Race unbalance

Waiden Profile Options #31

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race is race, every race has cons and pros ... thats how it is .. so stop whining, so what if elin has slight advantage over other races?

I dont care, I will roll aman or human because I like them and I am telling you, skilled players can play well even with worse cards.

you want to pick up race based on how big range some skill have? Be my guest, I dont care, I will rape you even with 2x less range on skills.

Jeez guys, find something else to do ...
Edited by: Waiden about 1 year ago
Tasho Profile Options #32

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Prove this exists.

Center your character's hitbox on the same spot for each race and then do your tests.
Jamming yourself into a corner will not work for centering your hitbox since that only centers your back edge of the hitbox.

I still haven't seen any conclusive and properly run tests.
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Snoris on 04/24/2012, 02:14 PM - view
Wouldn't the reach be the same technically?

If the Aman is 3 meters wide from his center..and his reach is 6 meter, that's 9 meters from his center.

If Elin is 1 meters wide from her center, and her reach is 8 meters, that's 9 meters from her center.

Same effective range from the center x,y coordinates.


That's what I've been thinking. The numerical reach just takes into account the physical reach based on the size of the character.

But even if this is the case, it still doesn't take into account smaller hitboxes. If everyone has the same range, but different hitboxes, it's still difficult.

However, I will say this:

I hope that people don't turn this game into something that is so heavily pvp focused that they destroy PvE. I'm horribly sick of everyone just wanting to fight other people and cause someone distress. In pvp, someone is always going to get sad/mad, and it seems people love to cause pain unto others. Troll/flame all you want in response to that, but it's true. It's just like the stock market - someone wins and someone loses.

What it comes down to is that people will ALWAYS find something to complain about. I don't expect changes, but I would think that an explanation from EnMasse or a final comment would be sufficient.
Waiden Profile Options #34

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Guys EME already stated that hitbox cause really small differences .. but thats how it is. They cant increase or decrease hitboxes of all races to be totally equal, it would be really but really unrealistic, think about it.

You hit baraka but it wont count because his hitbox is small as ellyns, or ... you miss elyn by 1 meter but it hits her because she has same hitbox like baraka.

I know we are all used to tab, click mouse targeting where hitboxes didnt matter. This is something relatively new, we have to get used to it ... and stop whining about something what should be clear for everybody. Small race = harder to hit / big race = easyer to hit

And about those ranges, whatever... your mesuring is not right

Even in FPS games, if you could roll some small girl you will have smaller hitbox, if you rolls fat boy ... everyone will hit you even with closed eyes ... thats how it is

Do you really want them to remove all races and just leave human races, so everyone have one equal hitbox, etc?

NO thank you
Edited by: Waiden about 1 year ago
pandaisftw Profile Options #35

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To the person talking about corners not being a legit way to center the hit-box, think about it for a second:

1) Aman has a larger hit-box than an Elin, therefore he will be further away from the wall, thus closer to the target.

2) The Elin will be closer to the wall (because she has a smaller model), thus being farther from the target

3) The Elin hits targets the Aman cannot, thus proving that the Elin does in fact have a longer reach (and proving the irrelevance of the hit-box size vs. range)
bl0odyjoker Profile Options #36

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I would also like to add that racial traits should come into play in. Even though Elins have the longer range for a lancer I think the Amans and Humans have a stronger passives.
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bl0odyjoker on 04/24/2012, 02:37 PM - view
I would also like to add that racial traits should come into play in. Even though Elins have the longer range for a lancer I think the Amans and Humans have a stronger passives.


+1

Some people just want to troll ...
coax Profile Options #38

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i was about to be thankful for somebody finally getting some fotage of this but i find this video lacking.

most of the time it was in terms of screenshots and i dont buy that evidence. ive seen animations that dont look like they reach that far but the actual attack registers anyways at the proper range.

why is it that for the elin you fully charge the strike and not for the aman? i dont know if this make a diffirence but i find it interesting that you only test the elin strike once fully charged but the aman you test it out 3 times at diffirent ranges but never fully charged.

for all i know thats how the skill is suppose to work.

make a video where the two are at the same lvl and have the same thunder strike lvl with it fully charged and ill take this more seriously.

i have personally tested archers fully and never found a problem with ranged. as well as sorcs and most others. i had tested zerkers too but i never bothered to test it mid charge as i didnt think there was a need. now i wish i had gone back and tested that as well.

ill test this again in early access to double check but until then this video evidence is just as suspicious as everything else ive seen.
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pandaisftw on 04/24/2012, 02:32 PM - view
To the person talking about corners not being a legit way to center the hit-box, think about it for a second:

1) Aman has a larger hit-box than an Elin, therefore he will be further away from the wall, thus closer to the target.

2) The Elin will be closer to the wall (because she has a smaller model), thus being farther from the target

3) The Elin hits targets the Aman cannot, thus proving that the Elin does in fact have a longer reach (and proving the irrelevance of the hit-box size vs. range)



Here ya go, ellins are smaller and reach out further.

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skyzzang on 04/24/2012, 02:45 PM - view
pandaisftw on 04/24/2012, 02:32 PM
To the person talking about corners not being a legit way to center the hit-box, think about it for a second:

1) Aman has a larger hit-box than an Elin, therefore he will be further away from the wall, thus closer to the target.

2) The Elin will be closer to the wall (because she has a smaller model), thus being farther from the target

3) The Elin hits targets the Aman cannot, thus proving that the Elin does in fact have a longer reach (and proving the irrelevance of the hit-box size vs. range)



Here ya go, ellins are smaller and reach out further.



again highly suspect, many skill animations only go so far while the actual attack range is as it should be. this only proves that their animation is different, which at the end of the day proves little in regards to imbalance.