EME; you need to explain yourself to your community for this - screenshots included!

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Ellyidol on 05/30/2012, 06:04 AM - view
xaerostrike on 05/30/2012, 05:56 AM


You dont seem to understand....

GMs are Normal Players just like you or me....


In ways they play the game, yes they are just like you and me. But not in a case like this.

A GM gets paid to do what he does, we don't get paid to play.

I'm not siding with the player here, because he's clearly one of those 'terror' customers that you have to deal with, but that doesn't give you an excuse to be unprofessional.

This is exactly why these people go through training, to deal with people like these. What's the use of training if all you expect are butterflies and bunnies on the other end of the chat?

Genjuros on 05/30/2012, 05:57 AM


What did the GM said wrong?? he told the customer there's nothing I can do and I cannot explain you why because is company policy, "the customer keeps nagging him" since the conversation was going nowhere why should he keep listening to a spoiled brat that thinks he can talk bad to someone who is giving him a service?


The GM didn't say anything wrong, technically, and no, no company has that policy. In fact, most may even have the 'Customer first' policy.

Of course, they could just refuse him service, which is what they did right at the end, but this should have been done with a straight response with no form of side remarks, eg "You can be as curious as you want". That's where the GM stooped down, in my opinion.

Kunae on 05/30/2012, 06:02 AM
Nothing the GM said even approached "rude".

Y'all who think anything he said was rude are really self-entitled cry-babies, who are talking out your collective asses.


And this is the exact type of person who would have let this go, because rude is innate.

It takes one to know one. Yes, I think it's rude because I myself have been rude before.

Being rude isn't an excuse when you're in that position. For you, for example, you can be rude all you want since your opinion has really no value in this (see what I did there?), but any CSR should know that any interaction from their end is a touch-point between the game (the brand) and its market and customers - you know, the ones paying and actually giving them revenue?


Sorry but i dont see anything that is unprofessional here....
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xaerostrike on 05/30/2012, 06:14 AM - view


Sorry but i dont see anything that is unprofessional here....


It's a matter of perspective, I guess. Different people have different levels of tolerance for these things. No winner here, so I'll settle that we agree to disagree. :)
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LinaInnverse on 05/30/2012, 05:47 AM - view
Firstly, on topic.

I AM a member of thirsty who disagrees with Garbuk that it's GM responsibility to take care of this issue (unless they've done it for other guilds before in similar cases).



However, regardless of provocation or trolling, it is the job of a customer service representative to handle irate customers. You are trained for it, and hopefully patience is a quality for which your supervisor interviewed you before you get the job. There is absolutely no excuse for this breach of professionalism, it wouldn't matter if Garbuk had called him three kinds of racial slurs and threatened to have him fired directly. It's even EASIER to deal with these people over text based CS programs vs live or by phone because you have the option to take back what you say before you transmit it. There is NO EXCUSE for this kind of behavior from a professional company. However, nothing En Masse has produced thus far has projected strict professionalism, so it should be expected at this point.



Having worked CS, and knowing what kind of trouble that kind of attitude can get you in if the customer refuses to let it go, I admire the balls on the CS representative. If the company does give a damn about making money or its customers, he will be receiving a hefty reprimand. It falls upon CS at this point to issue Garbuk an apology before he takes this slight to more public forums like facebook or reddit.





^ This is pretty much my entire point, only written better and expressed more clearly!
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Ellyidol on 05/30/2012, 06:18 AM - view
xaerostrike on 05/30/2012, 06:14 AM


Sorry but i dont see anything that is unprofessional here....


It's a matter of perspective, I guess. Different people have different levels of tolerance for these things. No winner here, so I'll settle that we agree to disagree. :)


I have talked to a great many GMs in my time and some GMs have been my friends in other games like WBIII, IRO and GMs and Mods from WoT, WoT ST ect... Each of them are just normal Players, and if you treat them with respect then they will treat you with respect...

I have only ever seen one unprofessional GM in WoW and I was respectful and nice to him/her and that GM must have gone over the edge for what ever reason ( most likily had it with rude players) and that GM was very dis-respectful to me...

thats the worst I have ever seen, other GMs have been just as we have seen above, just a normal player with a Full Plate trying to do his/her Job and deal with 100s-1000s of players each day...

The GMs need to be respected by the Players, and not treated like crap... the OP has posted a pretty normal GM that you will find in any other game under the Circumstances...

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Crosbie on 05/30/2012, 06:29 AM - view
LinaInnverse on 05/30/2012, 05:47 AM
Firstly, on topic.

I AM a member of thirsty who disagrees with Garbuk that it's GM responsibility to take care of this issue (unless they've done it for other guilds before in similar cases).



However, regardless of provocation or trolling, it is the job of a customer service representative to handle irate customers. You are trained for it, and hopefully patience is a quality for which your supervisor interviewed you before you get the job. There is absolutely no excuse for this breach of professionalism, it wouldn't matter if Garbuk had called him three kinds of racial slurs and threatened to have him fired directly. It's even EASIER to deal with these people over text based CS programs vs live or by phone because you have the option to take back what you say before you transmit it. There is NO EXCUSE for this kind of behavior from a professional company. However, nothing En Masse has produced thus far has projected strict professionalism, so it should be expected at this point.



Having worked CS, and knowing what kind of trouble that kind of attitude can get you in if the customer refuses to let it go, I admire the balls on the CS representative. If the company does give a damn about making money or its customers, he will be receiving a hefty reprimand. It falls upon CS at this point to issue Garbuk an apology before he takes this slight to more public forums like facebook or reddit.





^ This is pretty much my entire point, only written better and expressed more clearly!


So now we're threatening EME with bad PR unless you get a sorry letter? I lol'd.

What a bunch of [filtered] 5 year olds. Glad i didn't roll PVP server, and i certainly hope this little event teaches your [filtered] guild master not to hand out rights to random [filtered]s and i pray that your guild disbands because everyone realizes how [filtered] stupid all your complaining is.

As for the live chat, you were trying to push his buttons the entire time once you got your answer and you were expecting something else?
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Wow. Is this like the first time anyone's ever been taken advantage of?

"Waaaa make the other boys play fair waaaaa"

You guys understand that this would create an incredibly abusable precedent right?

"Oh yeah my account got hacked and stole a bunch of stuff from my guild, liquidated it, and distributed it to a bunch of unrelated toons. So you obviously won't punish those innocent players by taking their stuff away, but can we please have our stuff back even though it would basically dupe every item in the guild bank?"

If you care about justice, go donate $5 to Red Cross.
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It'd be super useful if people READ THE THREAD before they replied, jumping on the bandwagon of "Omg QQ more kids!"

This thread isn't crying about the GBank, or its contents. It's about the way the GMs flippantly replied to him after he complained.

Customer services representatives with attitudes like this shouldn't be in customer facing jobs. End of.
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Crosbie on 05/30/2012, 06:47 AM - view
It'd be super useful if people READ THE THREAD before they replied, jumping on the bandwagon of "Omg QQ more kids!"

This thread isn't crying about the GBank, or its contents. It's about the way the GMs flippantly replied to him after he complained.

Customer services representatives with attitudes like this shouldn't be in customer facing jobs. End of.


omg.... I would pay a million $$$$ just to see you sit in a chair all day and listen to 100s-1000s of Angry and Rude Players and see how you dealt with each and every single one of them....

I really would...

I can tell you now you would do far worse than this GM has done...


Get off your high horse and Get over your self....
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Crosbie on 05/30/2012, 06:47 AM - view
It'd be super useful if people READ THE THREAD before they replied, jumping on the bandwagon of "Omg QQ more kids!"

This thread isn't crying about the GBank, or its contents. It's about the way the GMs flippantly replied to him after he complained.

Customer services representatives with attitudes like this shouldn't be in customer facing jobs. End of.


Like i said, idiot was trying to push his buttons and he got a response. Go him. Time to post on forum- owait.
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Reading the thread I mainly notice 3 things:

1) They seem offended mostly over the fact that the GM didn't ask for the 'offenders' name. It's not that hard for EME to figure that out, looking at the game data. They have to look it up anyway, or do you think they go around and act on what people supposedly do just because of hear-say?

2) Players being able to access the guild bank = game mechanic. A player getting hacked = against the TOS. Comparing the two is pretty silly and the player/guildmaster is very unreasonable (and simply illogical) in doing so.

3) The quotes are taken out of context. Seeing with how upset and unreasonable the player/guildmaster of Thirsty is it stands to reason that he wasn't very polite with the GM either. How do I know this? I don't - that's my point. It's silly to judge a conversation if you only have parts of it. If the guildmaster/player can deliver the entire conversation then we can decide whether this deserves a public outrage or not.

So far my personal conduct with the GMs has been nothing short of amazing. I've heard friends being dissatisfied with the response to their tickets, and I may agree with that (ie, a friend's enchant window was bugged and he failed 21 enchants trying +6-+7 - the GM fixed his enchant window but didn't reimburse his alkahest/weapons. Not a policy I agree with, if the window is bugged it's not my friend's fault, and hence he shouldn't have to "suffer"), but the conduct of the GMs was always incredibly polite and human.


EDIT: Just saw that he actually DID post the chatlog in it's entirety. How come no one's upset over the fact that he demands special treatment because he runs a stream lol? He's actually making fun of the GMs as well as threatening them - I don't find anything unreasonable in the response, and feel bad for the GMs that they had to deal with such a self-entitled, rude person.
That's what happens when you read a conversation out of context kids .. :/
Edited by: lLiz 12 months ago