Elin Berserkers have a longer reach Thunder Strike than other races.

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XxVicariousxX on 03/31/2012, 10:08 PM - view
im looking and the elin gets maybe 1/4 of a tile on the human, which will amount to nothing in the end. not too mention im sure the actual hit points have been normalized, i mean when the difference is THAT small its gotta be an extremely easy job to make them all the same.

im not gonna believe they would leave the distances different, even if it seriously is that small of a difference, until i see some comparisons with targets, until then the graphical distances mean nothing.


>which will amount to nothing in the end

???

Elins... smaller hitboxes... longer reach... what part of this is hard for you to understand?

They avoid damage better and can deal it better.
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VenomPhoenix on 03/31/2012, 10:12 PM - view
XxVicariousxX on 03/31/2012, 10:08 PM
im looking and the elin gets maybe 1/4 of a tile on the human, which will amount to nothing in the end. not too mention im sure the actual hit points have been normalized, i mean when the difference is THAT small its gotta be an extremely easy job to make them all the same.

im not gonna believe they would leave the distances different, even if it seriously is that small of a difference, until i see some comparisons with targets, until then the graphical distances mean nothing.


>which will amount to nothing in the end

???

Elins... smaller hitboxes... longer reach... what part of this is hard for you to understand?

They avoid damage better and can deal it better.


I have yet to see a proper testing of the longer reach you speak of. I guess people have their homework to do for next CBT.
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I remember as a Castanic, my attack would reach just shy of an enemy, and yet still hit them. Surprising me quite a bit, until I got used to it.

As for that video, there is almost no difference between the two.

Also the human is starting in the grass, while the elin is starting between the grass and stone, which I'd say is the only visually noticeable difference between the two attacks.
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VenomPhoenix on 03/31/2012, 10:12 PM - view
XxVicariousxX on 03/31/2012, 10:08 PM
im looking and the elin gets maybe 1/4 of a tile on the human, which will amount to nothing in the end. not too mention im sure the actual hit points have been normalized, i mean when the difference is THAT small its gotta be an extremely easy job to make them all the same.

im not gonna believe they would leave the distances different, even if it seriously is that small of a difference, until i see some comparisons with targets, until then the graphical distances mean nothing.


>which will amount to nothing in the end

???

Elins... smaller hitboxes... longer reach... what part of this is hard for you to understand?

They avoid damage better and can deal it better.


the longer reach, IF ANY, will be an incredibly small advantage, as it is with the hitboxes, INCREDIBLY small advantage. i mean ive dueled every race and elins were absolutely no harder to hit then the other races.

so im sticking with: you guys are overreacting about something that probably isnt even an issue.
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XxVicariousxX on 04/01/2012, 09:05 AM - view
VenomPhoenix on 03/31/2012, 10:12 PM
XxVicariousxX on 03/31/2012, 10:08 PM
im looking and the elin gets maybe 1/4 of a tile on the human, which will amount to nothing in the end. not too mention im sure the actual hit points have been normalized, i mean when the difference is THAT small its gotta be an extremely easy job to make them all the same.

im not gonna believe they would leave the distances different, even if it seriously is that small of a difference, until i see some comparisons with targets, until then the graphical distances mean nothing.


>which will amount to nothing in the end

???

Elins... smaller hitboxes... longer reach... what part of this is hard for you to understand?

They avoid damage better and can deal it better.


the longer reach, IF ANY, will be an incredibly small advantage, as it is with the hitboxes, INCREDIBLY small advantage. i mean ive dueled every race and elins were absolutely no harder to hit then the other races.

so im sticking with: you guys are overreacting about something that probably isnt even an issue.


Regardless of how small you think the advantage is, giving people with the smallest hitboxes the longest reach when attacking is unnecessarily unbalancing the game.

Its not about it geing game-breaking, its about an obviously flawed logic. Smaller hitboxes with longer reach > larger hitboxes with shorter reach.
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edit: Nevermind, page 3 of this thread was exactly what I wanted: http://tera-forums.enmasse.com/forums/general-discussion/topics/Elin-Berserkers-have-a-longer-reach-Thunder-Strike-than-other-races?page=3

Didn't sound like anyone in this thread had brought it up yet, considering there are still people trying to claim that reach is identical between races. Yes, those pictures are before the "normalization," but the normalization of the races was concerning hit boxes, not reach, and also note that hit boxes were not made identical by the normalization.

-Travail.
Edited by: Travail about 1 year ago
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VenomPhoenix on 03/31/2012, 09:04 PM - view
Excelle on 03/31/2012, 09:02 PM
I made a video comparing elin to female human.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKheDvxVaBQ

I'll do more races later this week when I have time.


For crying out loud, it looks like he is right.

Elins do reach a little further.

What a joke.

EDIT:

Thanks for taking the time to make a video.


This video only proves that elin move forward into danger more when they attack. It does not show the skill actually hitting anything. We already know that swing animations don't correspond to the damage length, none of these videos so far have proven anything other then that some people are gullible or ignorant enough to see this video as proof. What I want to see is a video showcasing actual reach of the weapon and how far you have to be to hit the enemy with the skill. This would actually be proof. If this was actually true that elin berserk do have a slightly larger reach with their one skill, it does not make up for the fact that this one race has the worst racials.
Edited by: ilovelolis about 1 year ago
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ilovelolis on 04/01/2012, 11:08 AM - view

This video only proves that elin move forward into danger more when they attack. It does not show the skill actually hitting anything. We already know that swing animations don't correspond to the damage length, none of these videos so far have proven anything other then that some people are gullible or ignorant enough to see this video as proof. What I want to see is a video showcasing actual reach of the weapon and how far you have to be to hit the enemy with the skill. This would actually be proof. If this was actually true that elin berserk do have a slightly larger reach with their one skill, it does not make up for the fact that this one race has the worst racials.


THANK YOU ILOVELOLIS.

YOUR TRUE AND UNBIASED VIEWPOINT HAS CERTAINLY SHAPED MY OPINION REGARDING THIS MATTER ACCORDINGLY.
Edited by: Uchikoma about 1 year ago
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hitbox info or /thread

TERA could use training dummy for moments like this though.
Edited by: MrDMajor about 1 year ago
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ilovelolis on 04/01/2012, 11:08 AM - view
If this was actually true that elin berserk do have a slightly larger reach with their one skill, it does not make up for the fact that this one race has the worst racials.


It would MORE than make up for the racials, actually. Racials don't mean much. If it was actually true that Elin had a longer reach, it would be well above any racial ability any other class had.

In the 4 pictures shown by Green, I don't think the Aman and Elin are standing in the same spot at all. And the Elin in the video is a bit closer to the bridge than the human as well. I think the issue is being exaggerated.

Wanna know what I'd be more interested in than the difference in reach between races? Difference in swing speed.

When I tested High Elf, Castanic, Human and Aman Zerkers - I would swear that Aman Male Zerkers swing the axe slightly faster than the others.