Elin vs Aman Thunder Strike Imbalance.

ValkyrieLaw Profile Options #111

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It's an unintended bug that escaped notice.

It will be fixed, don't roll Elin at launch just because of this if you don't already want to play one, or you will be disappointed later when the issue is resolved. Unless you're one of those who knows he/she's only sticking around while it's free anyway before going to the next game.
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@Destian

Problem with that is much of BHEs statements are translated as fact. EME was working with old information and they never publicly announced anything. Just people submiting tickets. Well things change all the time and when you are working with foreign companies, things more often get lost in the mix.
Edited by: phantazum about 1 year ago - Reason: Had to add in an @ since some Castanic feels the need to jump in to the middle conversations and add her unneeded and unwanted imput.
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phantazum on 04/08/2012, 10:20 PM - view
@Destian

Problem with that is much of BHEs statements are translated as fact. EME was working with old information and they never publicly announced anything. Just people submiting tickets. Well things change all the time and when you are working with foreign companies, things more often get lost in the mix.


And FYI, I agree that elin/popori need a better racial if they're not going to have a hitbox advantage.
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phantazum on 04/08/2012, 10:04 PM - view

Again, Elins hit box is to make up for their lack of racials. You may as well drop the subject. You wont be getting a larger reach just because of that. You have combat racials, Welcome to balance.


Again, you're failing to admit that Poporis do not have this advantage, nor even acknowledge the fact that Destian plays a race with the same damn racials as you. You only see what you want to see.
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Unless you can tell me and give proof that popois dont have any advantage anywhere else then you have nothing. The Berserker is not the only class in the game and the game is not balanced around it.
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Originally I wanted to roll a male Aman berserker, but after seeing that the Aman only has 7m thunder strike range, while humans and others have 8m, and Elin have 8.5, I am now very tempted to play a male human, which is actually fine with me, but I wanted to bring this issue up to EME for fixing, as I can't believe that it is intended.
Edited by: greengrunt about 1 year ago
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also only the male aman has the 7 meter thunder strike, the female aman has 8 meters, so not all skills and possibly hitboxes are the same for both genders of a race.
which I find very odd.
Edited by: greengrunt about 1 year ago
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Doesn't look like the Aman charged up the thunder strike fully, either that or his charge up is much faster.
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phantazum on 04/08/2012, 09:11 PM - view
Ohh is there hit box 10% smaller lets see some proof? What about lock on spells, which is what the worst of the immobilizes are? Generally the hit box only saves you from damage.

And you made it about overall imbalances when you asked what the popori got and brought hit boxes in to it.

If you dont like your racials, dont roll a Baraka. Stop crying about it already. You choose the biggest race in the game, live with it. Every race has their ups and downs as long as the races are different.


Okay, let's play the snare game,

You realize that lock-on snares (and for that matter, lock on abilities in general) don't take into account hitboxes right? Instead they use the visible character model. This means that a Baraka, who should technically have a smaller hitbox than his model implies, is at an even larger disadvantage compared to an Elin who benefits from character models being smaller than hitboxes.

Now you know why every PvPer on KTera rolled Elin.

Also, the biggest race in the game shouldn't have a shorter reach than the SMALLEST race in the game. That's pantsu-on-head retarded. In this regard, the Amani basically got screwed over.
Edited by: Uchikoma about 1 year ago
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Whatwayzup on 04/09/2012, 04:31 PM - view
Doesn't look like the Aman charged up the thunder strike fully, either that or his charge up is much faster.


Charge has nothing to do with it. You don't have to ever fully-charge your attacks to get their full range and initial damage.

Male Aman Zerkers don't have a 7 meter Thunder Strike, it's 6 meters. Walk up to a stationary mob that is 7 meters away, and you will miss. Elin are 8 meters, others are either 6 or 7. This '7.5' and '8.5' crap is just splitting hairs. It's between 6 and 8.

The lower the overall range, the less the character moves. Elins leap 4 meters ahead to reach that 8 meter Thunder Strike, whereas Aman move 1-2 meters to do so, and never leave their feet. If there's ever a time when a longer reach without the ability to move forward was important, Aman are top.