Elin vs Aman Thunder Strike Imbalance.

BrowncoatBlue Profile Options #121

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Big ups to Greengrunt on another excellent post. This is incontravertable. EME, please have BHS fix this. If it has to come after launch, so be it.
outlaw2478 Profile Options #122

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Has anyone stoped to consider that range of skill is based from the center of the hit box and range you see on screen is based from outer edge of hit box? I know they normalized them to some extent but they are still different so the range may not be as much as people are thinking in this case Elins would appear to have the longest range tho would still be close to the same.
Edited by: outlaw2478 about 1 year ago
Rakusu Profile Options #123

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Tiraelina Lvl.43
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Someone needs to learn how to gather uncontaminated results and test more than 1 class on 2 races/sexes.
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outlaw2478 on 04/09/2012, 05:12 PM - view
Has anyone stoped to consider that range of skill is based from the center of the hit box and range you see on screen is based from outer edge of hit box? I know they normalized them to some extent but they are still different so the range may not be as much as people are thinking in this case Elins would appear to have the longest range tho would still be close to the same.


You have not thought your point thru. That would only mean they reach even further than what we are seeing. By your argument, when both put into the corner, the Elin will be able to move further into the corner due to smaller model/box/collision. Despite this, they still reach further. This needs to be addressed.
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I know its a crappy diagram but it explains what i am saying and yes I know they normalized hit boxes somewhat but they are not the same for all classes not mention the view range may be set from none normalized hit boxes wich would throw it even further off.


and yes I know this is still unbalanced in one manner but its balanced in another
Edited by: outlaw2478 about 1 year ago
Darchrow Profile Options #126

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Just to translate something someone sent me, it is a site comparing Reach for Berserkers.
Here are the comparisons.

The smaller the starting position the larger the range of your attack. This should possibly refer to the movement you get from swinging your weapon.
The larger the Striking range the more reach your weapon has for it to impact a target. This is pretty straight forward.

Race: Elin
Starting Position: 3.5m
Striking Range: 2.5m


What this photo shows that by starting at the baseline of 2.5m the Elin does not hit its target.
Only at 3.5m after from the ledge can the Elin hit its target.s

Race: Baraka
Starting Position: 2.0m
Striking Range: 7.5m


Race: Castanic
Starting Position: 5.0m
Striking Range: 3.0m


Race: High Elf
Starting Position: 2.5m
Striking Range: 5.5m


Race: Popori
Starting Position: 4.0m
Striking Range: 6.5m


Race: Human
Starting Position: 2.0m
Striking Range: 6.5m


Source: http://thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=1114666&category=12516
Thanks to AngelRequiem for testing it out.
Thanks to Bractacas for sending me the link.
Edited by: Darchrow about 1 year ago
ImperialPanda Profile Options #127

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Rakusu on 04/09/2012, 05:20 PM - view
Someone needs to learn how to gather uncontaminated results and test more than 1 class on 2 races/sexes.


I have the results. At least for the class and races important to me. =P

Between elin, female human, female castanic, and female high elf, the differences on berserker attacks are absolutely miniscule.

I did make a male Aman just because there was so much fuss about it. And yes their thunder strike is... a bit... shorter than elin. But at the same time some attacks are also longer than elin. This was like 1 hour before servers closed and I was really tired so I didn't get to run all the tests and recording as I did for other races.

@Darchrow

Out of date and not measured in meters.
Edited by: ImperialPanda about 1 year ago
greengrunt Profile Options #128

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Darchrow on 04/09/2012, 08:25 PM - view
Just to translate something someone sent me, it is a site comparing Reach for Berserkers.
Here are the comparisons.

The smaller the starting position the larger the range of your attack. This should possibly refer to the movement you get from swinging your weapon.
The larger the Striking range the more reach your weapon has for it to impact a target. This is pretty straight forward.

Race: Elin
Starting Position: 3.5m
Striking Range: 2.5m


What this photo shows that by starting at the baseline of 2.5m the Elin does not hit its target.
Only at 3.5m after from the ledge can the Elin hit its target.s

Race: Baraka
Starting Position: 2.0m
Striking Range: 7.5m


Race: Castanic
Starting Position: 5.0m
Striking Range: 3.0m


Race: High Elf
Starting Position: 2.5m
Striking Range: 5.5m


Race: Popori
Starting Position: 4.0m
Striking Range: 6.5m


Race: Human
Starting Position: 2.0m
Striking Range: 6.5m


Source: http://thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=1114666&category=12516
Thanks to AngelRequiem for testing it out.
Thanks to Bractacas for sending me the link.


that info is very old and is from before they normalized reach.
greengrunt Profile Options #129

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Well EME responded to my ticket and said they will set it up for a review....
I have faith they will fix this.
Edited by: greengrunt about 1 year ago
Malamasala Profile Options #130

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I find it hilarious that everyone who claimed Elin armor changes were trivial, are all upset that an attack on Elin is longer. I'm quite convinced EME will change this though. There are only two things EME works on:

1) PvP
2) Ruin Elin

And this gives them a chance to do both.