Elins and Aman do not have a faster or slower Thunder Strike. Everyone's Thunder Strike is extremely, extremely close, if not the exact same speed.

Except Aman, Thunder Strike range differences are extremely small. Aman does have longer range than Elin on some other attacks.

Hakurai's video is extremely flawed. I did my measurements by using the same straight path between two points on different races, with result distance accurate to within 0.2 in-game meters. Distance between starting and ending position for every race is doubly verified using both the distance measure on the target cursor and by comparing the starting and ending positions to ground textures.

Quote: ImperialPanda on 04/10/2012, 11:08 PM - view

Who are you? judas ? deniying the truth lol... the video shows a clear 2m difference. were did you get 0.2 in game meters from? as far as i know you can only mesure in meters in game not with decimals.

Quote: Symetry on 04/10/2012, 11:15 PM - view

First of all, no offense, but some of those people are so dumb they don't even know to stop attacking after the final hit of combo attack. But the most important part is they're obviously not attacking perfectly perpendicular from the wall. Also, I haven't seen any evidence suggesting collision size is the same for every race, have you? Nor have I see any evidence showing where the exact center of a character's physical extent is. So starting from close to the wall is a completely meaningless way of trying to start at the same position.

The whole test was a waste of time.

Like I said, for my tests I had every race move in the exact same line between the exact same two points with distances verified using the distance measure on the target cursor plus comparisons against ground textures.

The target cursor's measurement does not have decimals. How do I get accuracy on my measurements? Think a little bit? If during over 100 trials, 95%+ of the time it takes me 3 taps to go from one meter to the next, then each tap is approximately .333 meters. Which means my measurements is likely to be accurate to within +/-0.167 meters.

The attack range differences in Thunder Strike is very small (with Aman as an exception). But even with Aman, the difference only amounts to about a 125/187ms time difference (why two numbers? you figure it out).

Quote: ImperialPanda on 04/10/2012, 11:08 PM - view

Aman have longer range on what other attacks??? I tested all the berserker skills.... none within the berserker class....

Also according to that video, a elin lancer has about 2.5 meter longer attack than the baraka lancer??!!
holy cow man, is that fair?

basically male aman zerkers are kinda gimped and no real reason to play it, a female aman would be a better choice.

Holy FCK! EM You need Fix This ASAP! That'S Just GAME BREAKING! I hope the Human Female lancer vs Elin Lancer has no diff -.-

well when I watched the lancer part of his video I saw the humans hit at about 6 meters, while elin are 7 meters, and aman and baraka more around 5 meters only....

for some reason in this game, the larger races get shafted big time, with bigger hitboxes so they are easiest to hit, and also shortest range on many attacks..... It no wonder why Elin are considered Korea's most played race.

Quote: greengrunt on 04/11/2012, 12:54 AM - view

That's not true. If both an Aman and an Elin are unable to make their full leap due to collision, an Aman has a longer reach with his combo attacks than an Elin does.

And while the Aman Thunder Strike is not faster than any other race's, the first strike of his combo attack IS. Undoubtedly, and noticeably so. Elin also have a quicker first combo attack strike than the other five races.

Aman also stay firmly planted on their feet when using Flatten, which is quite handy. I'm rolling Male Aman Zerker, and the only race at the moment whom I feel has an advantage in these areas is Elin...and I have a feeling this won't be the case after the QoA2 patch or soon thereafter.

I don't really care what tests you've done, Imperial - I've done hours of testing on every race for Zerker Combo Attack first-strike and Thunder Strike. Elin, with no restrictions in place, have an overall longer reach with those two attacks. The two most important attacks in the game for a Zerker.

I was able to hit the same target from 8 meters away as an Elin with Thunder Strike that I was only able to hit at 6 meters as an Aman Male. Without taking the Elin "leap" into account, they have the same range of 4-5 meters. Which means the Elin moves 3-4 meters, while the Aman only moves 1-2 meters as they use the ability. That's where you see the difference.

By trying to make them equal, EME unwittingly gave Elin too far of a leap accompanied with their attack. The only number that matters, is that if I'm chasing someone on an Elin and they're 8 meters away, I can hit them. But I could not hit them as any other race. Trying to say there's no problem there is just silly.

Elin's combo attack is not faster than other races.

I'm unsure about Aman because, again, I tested it briefly very late.

I dunno how you did your testing but it was obviously not right if it took you "hours of testing." Because this matter should be pretty straight forward. =p