GVG needs an opt out on PVE servers

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aethelbirht on 06/28/2012, 10:42 PM - view
Those of you saying "you're weakening your guild and being selfish by not participating" are begging the question in the worst possible way: when the guilds were set up, GVG wasn't an option, ...


True, but it was well known that it was coming to PvE servers.

Being a part of a GvG-oriented guild when you yourself do not want to GvG is just asking for trouble because you're being expected to do something you don't want to do (again, expectations).

I'm not saying you're not loyal for not wanting to GvG; I'm just saying you're not doing your guild any favors. Your interests are different than theirs in a fundamental, game-changing way.

My solution is simple: Form guilds based on what they want to do. If they want to have GvGs going every day of the week, there should be guilds to cater to these people. If there are people who're up for GvGing only once a week or every other week, there will be guilds to cater to these people.

To suggest that players should be able to opt-out would kill what already little GvG already takes place by decreasing the activity even further and creating a disproportionate amount of activity between guilds that are trying to participate in this feature.

In your Vanarchy example: Giving you an opt-out would mean your guild most likely losing Vanarchy. Trust me, that will cause drama. You're choosing not to help your guild do their best, and most guilds have people who will call out the slackers. That will be a lot more drama than there is now. I also don't think GvG is necessary to win vanarchy, but rather, it is one of the ways to win. It's a bit naive to assume you know how something that's not yet implemented is going to work and complain about it. At least wait until you see it in practice before whining.

I'll say it again anyway though: If you don't want to GvG, join a guild that doesn't want to GvG. In any other case, you're just asking for trouble because expectations will always differ (whether you're allowed to individually opt-out or not) and this will always cause drama.
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tormeanted on 06/28/2012, 06:31 PM - view
Slubber on 06/28/2012, 05:04 PM
What the hell are you even scared of about PvP in TERA anyways?

HURR DURR IM DOING A DAILEE LEWK AT ME, OH NO, A GVG TARGET, [filtered] I DIED OH MAH GAWD!!!!


Let's evaluate the damage, I lost nothing, I pay 2g to restore stamina, I pay 2g to teleport back to where I was.

Overall damage assessment - Lost 4g and 20 seconds of play time.

I don't think there is an MMO in the entire universe where the death penalty is more insignificant than in TERA.


Hey Slubber, when you level up a bit more you'll find something in the game called crystals. These can run like 90 gold or more for good ones. And crystals can break upon death too. So sure you being a lowbee and all your assessment is correct, but that changes when you level up.

And, You're welcome for the info kid.


Way to be overly cocky and acting like a jerk, yet be completely wrong. Crystals do NOT break on a GvG death. Moreso, they don't even break in OWPvP on non-flagged players. Crystals ONLY break in PVE and FLAGGED players who die in PvP.
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tormeanted on 06/28/2012, 06:31 PM - view
Slubber on 06/28/2012, 05:04 PM
What the hell are you even scared of about PvP in TERA anyways?

HURR DURR IM DOING A DAILEE LEWK AT ME, OH NO, A GVG TARGET, [filtered] I DIED OH MAH GAWD!!!!


Let's evaluate the damage, I lost nothing, I pay 2g to restore stamina, I pay 2g to teleport back to where I was.

Overall damage assessment - Lost 4g and 20 seconds of play time.

I don't think there is an MMO in the entire universe where the death penalty is more insignificant than in TERA.


Hey Slubber, when you level up a bit more you'll find something in the game called crystals. These can run like 90 gold or more for good ones. And crystals can break upon death too. So sure you being a lowbee and all your assessment is correct, but that changes when you level up.

And, You're welcome for the info kid.


Bwahaha, can't tell if serious, please tell me you're trolling.
Edited by: Slubber 11 months ago
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If you don't like GvG, then leave the guild. If they are enabling it without majority consent, then obviously not the guild for you.

And err, correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't break crystals from PvP deaths? Been a while, but ya, never had mine break. And 90g... Try 900-1000g for One Crystal.
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4278 on 06/28/2012, 11:07 PM - view
aethelbirht on 06/28/2012, 10:42 PM
Those of you saying "you're weakening your guild and being selfish by not participating" are begging the question in the worst possible way: when the guilds were set up, GVG wasn't an option, ...


True, but it was well known that it was coming to PvE servers.

Being a part of a GvG-oriented guild when you yourself do not want to GvG is just asking for trouble because you're being expected to do something you don't want to do (again, expectations).

I'm not saying you're not loyal for not wanting to GvG; I'm just saying you're not doing your guild any favors. Your interests are different than theirs in a fundamental, game-changing way.

My solution is simple: Form guilds based on what they want to do. If they want to have GvGs going every day of the week, there should be guilds to cater to these people. If there are people who're up for GvGing only once a week or every other week, there will be guilds to cater to these people.

To suggest that players should be able to opt-out would kill what already little GvG already takes place by decreasing the activity even further and creating a disproportionate amount of activity between guilds that are trying to participate in this feature.

In your Vanarchy example: Giving you an opt-out would mean your guild most likely losing Vanarchy. Trust me, that will cause drama. You're choosing not to help your guild do their best, and most guilds have people who will call out the slackers. That will be a lot more drama than there is now. I also don't think GvG is necessary to win vanarchy, but rather, it is one of the ways to win. It's a bit naive to assume you know how something that's not yet implemented is going to work and complain about it. At least wait until you see it in practice before whining.

I'll say it again anyway though: If you don't want to GvG, join a guild that doesn't want to GvG. In any other case, you're just asking for trouble because expectations will always differ (whether you're allowed to individually opt-out or not) and this will always cause drama.


So, willingness or unwillingness to participate in GVG is now THE criterion that defines whether it's advisable for people to associate with each other in a guild on a PVE server? If you don't see what's fundamentally wrong with that viewpoint, especially on a PVE server, I don't know what else I can say to you. It's an attitude of extraordinary arrogance and insensitivity, that completely ignores the fact that people associate with each other for complex reasons. According to you, the only one that will really matter now on a PVE server is willingness or unwillingness to GVG. It becomes the supreme criterion that says who should associate and who shouldn't--and all that on a server where the focus is supposed to be PVE.

Again, this is WRONG. It is also UNNECESSARY. And it needs to be changed.--give players an individual opt out.
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Komari on 06/28/2012, 11:58 PM - view
If you don't like GvG, then leave the guild. If they are enabling it without majority consent, then obviously not the guild for you.

And err, correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't break crystals from PvP deaths? Been a while, but ya, never had mine break. And 90g... Try 900-1000g for One Crystal.


Only flagged PVP deaths (outlaw of infamous) will result in crystal breakage.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again -

I'd really like to see an individual option as well for GvG. Having paying customers not be able to play comfortably any day they want to play just doesn't seem like good business. This is unnecessary stress and hassle for customers who chose to join a PvE server.

Telling people to just leave the guild for x time while they are in GvG mode is not only annoying for the player wishing to avoid PvP harassment, but also extra work for guild leaders who will have to keep re-inviting these players back to their guild after GvG ends. A player optional switch would be much more convenient while allowing players to keep a community with the people they've enjoyed playing with for months now before GvG was added.

I'm not against PvP. I see how people are interested in it, but personally I prefer it in fun, small casual situations where I have a say in if I want to participate or not. I came to a PvE server because I'm not interested in that 'spice' of constantly watching over my shoulder for if someone is going to get me while I'm out doing dailies or gathering crafting materials. I don't want to force my feelings regarding PvP on my guild, nor is it right for them to force theirs on me. I want to see them have fun, just I'm not interested in that mode of play.

En Masse & Bluehole, Please seriously consider an individual switch for players in regards to GvG. Of course place restrictions on it so people can't use it to drop out mid-battle if they are losing and things like that, but please give the paying individuals of your game the right to choose if they wish to battle guilds or not without having to leave their communities.

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And if looking for ways to implement a switch or means for setting who is in battle mode or not while keeping the game atmosphere, why not have something like a guild war recruitment period before a war starts? During this time before the 24 hr war begins (or week long vanarchy war), people who actively want to PvP can register to enlist in the war. If you don't register in that time, you can't participate in the fight. Once the fight begins you can't un-register, so no one can use it to back out of losing fights. This would ensure that only people who want to GvG are taking part and no one is being forced to play this mode unwillingly. Toss in an option of auto-registration for players who foresee wanting to take part in GvG regularly.

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As for the argument that if you don't participate in GvG, you are hurting your guild's chances to win, if so many people in a guild are opting out of GvG that that is becoming a serious issue, maybe the guild leader needs to re-evaluate the feelings of their community, listen to them more, and find compromises to address the situation.
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People cry about not having GvG on PvE servers; PvP players say it's for the better trust us.
PvE servers get GvG; PvE players cry about not liking it.
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If you don't see eye to eye with your guild leaders on the topic of PvP and GvG, then you probably should find a new home. A guild is supposed to be a place where you have the same playstyle as your guildies so you can enjoy the same things together. If your guildlies want to PvP and you do not, then you should just find a guild more suited to your needs.

I'm sorry, but I think some people are waaaayy overreacting. The fact is that the GvG system was never intended for PvE servers but people in beta said loud and clear that they wanted it on PvE servers as well. So EME has spent the last several months creating a way for you guys to have it. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. They have done a nice job of making it an opt-in system. If your guildmaster is not doing things how you'd like, then either discuss it with him or find a guild that sees things the way you do. Try to appreciate how hard EME has worked to even get this for you guys.



Catatonic on 06/29/2012, 09:13 AM - view
People cry about not having GvG on PvE servers; PvP players say it's for the better trust us.
PvE servers get GvG; PvE players cry about not liking it.


QFT.
Edited by: Leiloni 11 months ago
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I love the fact that there is an OPTION to GvG on this game ..
The voting is lame, and is so uncontrollably retarded and fixed, we need another option.

The GvG and PvP is another part of Tera, that honestly, I love, and the only reason im on a PvE server is due to the stupid queues and friends playing on here in the beginning of the game.

You can be passive, so, be passive.

Let the guilds who actually want to still PvP but not it be a 24/7 main focus on a PvE server enjoy their GvG.

We get battlegrounds soon .. and those will be on PvE servers as well.

Stop complaining about something you are NOT FORCED to do.

Lord, you people, you see the option for something that you don't look into, nor do you know anything about, and you QQ for some of the most retarded reasons.

If there actually was forced PVP on a PVE server, then yes, you can complain all you want, but it's not forced, nor is it game changing .. its an option for people who find the voting retarded.
It's apart of the game, that we'd be missing out on with the content that comes for it as well as the future items.


Edited by: Phreekaleek 11 months ago - Reason: PEW PEW til they QQ.