Many people are hypocrites, alot of our enemys doing trade kills, but we already knew how they will be playing,and we register other guild for fight against the enemys trading kills,doing nice faking battles... that is ''exploit'' too!

But EME has punished only Bloodline and say '' ally can trading kills its ok, but how you doing are wrong '' and we know other guys on our sever are doing the same, and they will be winning 2 places... thx EME change the rules from vanarch with no criteria...

The vanarch system is a joke!!!

Some people Loves Bloodline and we still love these people too!

But some people Hate us because we winning that kids GvG after GvG!
if you are more strong than us, we win,
if you have more people than me, Bloodline Wins,
if you have less eopple than us, we win.
Doesn't matter how many wars we are doing, we still winning much more than our enemys

You cant beat Bloodline because we are smart, we doing every battle carefully we know how our enemys play this game, we have a more focus than you for GvGs, we playing using strategy and tactics, we know our weakness and how strong we can be.

You never see any Bloodline crying after losing gvgs, Our Enemys using alot of exploits for take advantage ( OE bug, Gold bug, Auto Aim ) and nothing happens ... and we keeping winning GvG after GvG, but our enemys still crying when they looses, every fight they have excuses.

Now some enemys winning us out of game LOL, Nice change rules EME, but some of you dont know anything about war.

plz start read Art of War

~Chosen
Leader of Bloodline

To all who say that the system needs to be fixed, I agree. However, I still do not understand why you are seemingly blaming everything on the current system.

The way I see it, GvG is simply a tool to win Vanarchy. It may lack certain clearly defined rules, but the letter and intent of the system is glaringly obvious to everyone. If it is not obvious that the system is supposed to be used for competitive combat between Guilds (whether it be for points, etc.) to determine Vanarchy, then I have no hopes of such an individual understanding anything at all.

HOWEVER, the WAY someone chooses to use that tool is a separate issue. Many factors are involved, such as the competitive nature, morals, maximizing point gains, etc. Even though Bloodline and the like have done nothing against the letter of the rule, they have instead committed acts against the spirit and intent of the rule. In that sense, they have been deemed exploiting the system by EME. Because this is concerted and conscious effort by that guild, the blame should be fully placed on Bloodline and other guilds who are doing the same.

I do not think anyone is saying that the current system is perfect. Far from it. BUT it is not the tool's fault for the misbehavior of the players. In other words, grow up and take responsibility for your actions. EME should not have to act like your virtual parents and hold your hand to make sure you use the tool in the intended manner.

@Alexisia

I'm fully aware of the implications of morals as applied to individuals. They are going to be different. However, there are certain areas that are common within each person's moral compass. For example, killing is bad/wrong. Lying is bad/wrong. Hitting someone without provocation is bad/wrong. Cheating is bad/wrong. In this case, making an alt guild to farm GvG points have been categorically been seen as bad/wrong because (1) there is no rival guild (a guild comprised of members totally separate from the opposing guild members) and (2) there is no competition. Since a MAJORITY find such antics as being IMMORAL in a SOCIAL game, I do not think that hairsplitting along individual lines bears as much weight.

@ Elkron1 (aka Chosen)

Sorry, you have no standing to make any sort of allegations about "fairness" when you and your guild's actions was unfair, cheap, cheating, exlpoiting, etc. There is no racial prejudice, there is no singling out for your guild (you are one of several if not many getting the same treatment from EME if found to be guilty). Go cry to your parents instead and see if they have any compassion for your wrongdoings. I'd like to see how that turns out. Also, the one who's being a hypocrite is actually... YOU.

@Crossus:

Glad we've reached an understanding of sorts. I do not place blame soley on the system, nor do I place it soley on those who abused the system. I apologize if I seem to have come off "strong" on these issues (considering I'm not even involved in GvG Vanarchy) but I had hoped to impress upon others that the system is inherently flawed, and until strongly defined rules are in place, these debacles will continue.

I do believe, as you say, I got a bit sidetracked on splitting hairs over morality. Of course, the majority of gamers (it seems) do find these actions immoral, I amongst them. I lost track at some point, but I wish to reconfirm my position that I do find these acts unbecoming of the true spirit of competition. I had, on the other hand, hoped that others in this thread might be a little less hateful towards the abusers of the system, as it quite possible they acted within their own realm of morality. It is a bit pointless though, as the judgement has been made and handled.

I only hope, that EME will take note of this event when it plans out more PvP-related activities and doesn't leave any "loop-holes" open.

^

Agreed. Now some patience is required to let EME do their job and close those gaps. I see the current patch as a bandaid fix that needs to be reviewed more thoroughly. It's unfortunate that this even has to take place in the sense that all these actions just show more and more that there are many gamers who are [insert favorite condescending pejorative]. Sad really.

@Crossus
Bloodline never cry... The vanarch system is a joke and some of you only playing games like wow... we came from sandbox game and hardcore game... EME change the rules from vanarch... Trading kills are nice way hunm? we creating that alt guild for defending our self against that fakes pvps we using the rules.

Lineage2 heroes can be feed... Sieges you can take castles to alt guilds... EVE online same way...

You can keeping playing on your perfect world...

You say that not racist... alot ppl saying [filtered] about my country every day, they dont know here and say [filtered] about only for troll and nothing happens...

All knows OE exploit, and they only reset one day... and dont ivestigate who are doing that affeter launch begining and nothing happens, they using Aim Bot and gold exploit that is a real exploit this is joke guys. that exploits given to then large advantage...

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Every day this game losing players gess why? bad end game content, bad gvg system, bad vanarch system, easy to take cap lvl, OE bug, Aim Bot, money bug...

The system is faill, we need a kind of castle siege for vanarch...BG does't bring ppl back and cant hold ppl here, because we can do BGs on GW2 at same gears from opponent and they realy have a BIG Siege fight!

EME changed rules during of the competition and less your credibility, now you like that, but latter many of you may will dislike.

Allys can trading kill ftw !!! Fake battles like they doing ftw!!!

Now i go back to my vacation... see you all in game in 2 weeks

@ Elkron1

All your comments don't mean a damn thing when you are one of the ones abusing the system! Get that through your head first, then come back with something more constructive rather than playing the race card, doom and gloom, and 'i'm so l337 bc i haz playa mahny gamezzzz".

Also, your allegation that you are only doing the same thing as someone else is a childish excuse. Many a 5-year old has said the same thing. Please grow up. Try to make humanity proud because right now, you are failing miserably.

Please remember to keep your conversations civil and try to refrain from attacking other users.

Sure Crossus? How old are you?, I just telling you a lilbit things, but who crying not me, they come here crying and EME change the rules maybe I need crying more like these [filtered]. my engrish is very bad and I can not communicate on the proper way. Btw thx for trying understand.

That game is a lost cause, and thx god for chronoscroll, now I can play free and pay for nice game, and some times I can come here and wining some guys in pvp, GvGs and show to some guys how to play.

The Vanarch system are faill, and EME changing the rules for helping some one who starts crying frist that is main point... They dont doing nothing about fix the system and that are not the root of problem we all know.

For me I dont see diference in total agreement for trading kills and no morality too and for sure they doing at beggining, but nothing changes, does't matter Im ''brazilian bad guy'', and my guild kick alot of asses in Tera, and because of that they crying.

Less hypocrisy plz

Im here to collect tears.

OM NOM NOM NOM!

Well Elkron1, I promise you I'm much older than you. And really, the best you can say is that people are "crying" because you guys are the target for being the "best"? Hmm, I smell arrogance on a whole different level not attached to reality. But hey, I'm done talking to a child who thinks he/she/it is a god of gaming, because when you are so full of self like that, nothing can actually get through.

No matter, enjoy the game how you want to play. It doesn't bother me in the least. When you continue to try to exploit or circumvent the rules in any game you play, do not be surprised when you pay the consequences.

Enjoy your vacation. You will not be missed.