Healing and Outlaw Issue

LaJolla Profile Options #11

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I agree with the OP.

I had a situation on Sunday when my group was farming crabs. All of a sudden, I was flagged and no one knew why. The only reason we could figure was that someone flagged ran through a healing circle I had laid down. Since this area was filled with people doing the same thing, that put me at risk for no good reason.

It seems to me that shouldn't happen. The healing circles and other aoe circles are meant for friendlies, and if someone flagged red runs through them, they should not receive the benefit.

The option to that, if I truly want to aid a red, I should have to use the control key or something that is purposefully used to grant my choice. In L2, it was like that. To heal someone flagged that was not in your party, you had to use the control key + the heal key. That is a good mechanic, I think.
Edited by: LaJolla about 1 year ago
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fkujustin on 04/24/2012, 10:25 AM - view
So you want to run around healing your buddy thats flagged pking ppl without flagging yourself?

No thanks, if you heal a flagged person, you are assisting them and should be flagged.


That's not true, I'd be happier if I could not heal him at all unless I chose to manually flag. Flagging yourself as a dps is a conscious decision you have to make, I'd prefer if that was the case as a healer.

It's really annoying, because if I get flagged, not to mention getting killed, I can no longer heal other guilds or players even if I wanted to.
Edited by: Doddler about 1 year ago
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I never once got flagged for pvp by out of party healing an outlaw i just couldn't heal them at all.

Maybe there is a special condition that has to happen inorder for that to happen i can't think of what it might be though.

maybe someone should record it and share once the servers come back live.

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Leiloni Profile Options #14

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I'm sorry but I'm a Priest on BC and if you're on a PvP server deal with it. If you help an Outlaw, you should absolutely be flagged. If you do an AoE and it hits an Outlaw unintentionally - who the ef cares???

If someone comes after me then my group mates will help me out or I could do what comes naturally and start kiting and running away - healers in this game have tools to get and stay away and heal up and you'll have to know how to do that in any PvP you do. Random OwPvP is the benefit we get from rolling a PvP server and if you don't like that, roll PvE. And if I'm solo... well I don't go around healing random people when I'm solo so that's not an issue. In instances, again, I'm in an instance so I don't care if I'm outlaw.

The only issue I can possibly see, and this is iffy, is that it bugs out the HP bars under their names, but that again is not game breaking - I can see the HP bars of my group members in the group window so I can just heal them old school style - look to my group window which I'm used to doing since that's what we've done for every other game until now.

Honestly you guys are complaining about nothing just because you like to complain. We have one very minor HP bar bug here that will be fixed and until then is easily worked around. I see no other issues here. But if you're afraid to be flagged, roll PvE.
Edited by: Leiloni about 1 year ago
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Leiloni on 04/24/2012, 10:32 AM - view
I'm sorry but I'm a Priest on BC and if you're on a PvP server deal with it. If you help an Outlaw, you should absolutely be flagged. If you do an AoE and it hits an Outlaw unintentionally - who the ef cares???

If someone comes after me then my group mates will help me out or I could do what comes naturally and start kiting and running away - healers in this game have tools to get and stay away and heal up and you'll have to know how to do that in any PvP you do. Random OwPvP is the benefit we get from rolling a PvP server and if you don't like that, roll PvE. And if I'm solo... well I don't go around healing random people when I'm solo so that's not an issue. In instances, again, I'm in an instance so I don't care if I'm outlaw.

The only issue I can possibly see, and this is iffy, is that it bugs out the HP bars under their names, but that again is not game breaking - I can see the HP bars of my group members in the group window so I can just heal them old school style - look to my group window which I'm used to doing since that's what we've done for every other game until now.

Honestly you guys are complaining about nothing just because you like to complain. We have one very minor HP bar bug here that will be fixed and until then is easily worked around. I see no other issues here. But if you're afraid to be flagged, roll PvE.


^^ ./agree
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I think it's funny how most of the people here didn't even read what the OP was saying.
if you did, most of you took everything WAY out of context.

You're in a dungeon. You come from a PvE realm. Someone in your group, from a different realm is flagged as an outlaw. Because you have to heal them in the dungeon, or suffer failing, you get flagged as an outlaw as well. You DIDN'T want to be flagged, you prefer playing the game from a PvE standpoint, but because of some [filtered] code, you get flagged as well.

lrn2read the OP before giving your holier-than-thou feedback, guys. It's really not helping anyone.

That aside, I gotta agree with the OP. You shouldn't get flagged because an outlaw decides to run through your healing circle, that's just idiotic. In every other MMO, you have to make a conscious decision to flag for PvP! I can see this turning into outlaws trolling mystics/priests by picking up their orbs or running through their circle to flag them, then proceeding to kill them.

Fix it before it gets out of hand; trolls are everywhere these days.
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a) If you use the Dungeon Finder and get an Outlaw in your group and you don't want to deal with it just drop, do some quests until your deserter Debuff is gone and re-queue.....or just run 5 mans with people on your server or in your Guild.

b) I agree that in a mass player environment your abilities should just not work on an Outlaw player unless you flag yourself as such. It would make things much easier. All the devs need to do is put some tag in the code that needs to match between caster and the player receiving the Heal/Buff.
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Mizuwari on 04/24/2012, 10:38 AM
I think it's funny how most of the people here didn't even read what the OP was saying.
if you did, most of you took everything WAY out of context.

You're in a dungeon. You come from a PvE realm. Someone in your group, from a different realm is flagged as an outlaw. Because you have to heal them in the dungeon, or suffer failing, you get flagged as an outlaw as well. You DIDN'T want to be flagged, you prefer playing the game from a PvE standpoint, but because of some [filtered] code, you get flagged as well.

lrn2read the OP before giving your holier-than-thou feedback, guys. It's really not helping anyone.





You don't know how Outlaw works, do you. It goes away after 30 seconds of being out of combat. So once you're done the instance, you are no longer flagged as outlaw.


If I could make that text bigger I would but I don't know how. Again, in an instance it doesn't matter if you're outlaw. When you're done, 30 seconds after combat ends you will no longer be outlaw. So when you leave the instance - you are no longer flagged. TOTAL NON ISSUE.

And as a PvPer I prefer the system the way we have it. Those of us in the PvP community like how TERA's PvP is basically FFA. We don't want the PvE style flag to PvP stuff you see on PvE servers in other games. I like that I can kill anyone at any time and they can kill me - that's what I'm on a PvP server for. And personally I often use healing outlaws as an easy way to flag myself so I don't have to hit my Outlaw hotkey.


Edited by: Leiloni about 1 year ago
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Doddler on 04/24/2012, 09:50 AM - view
As a healer, I've had a lot of trouble with the outlaw system as it stands. I don't go outlaw myself usually, but because of the way it works, it tends to affect me.

One, when healing or buffing someone (in guild or party) that is an outlaw, I automatically get flagged as an outlaw myself, whether I want to or not. This isn't limited to direct heals, I can drop a healing circle on the ground, and then an outlaw 6 seconds later runs into it, and suddenly I'm an outlaw. Purification circle, with it's absolutely huge radius, if it hits an outlaw, I'm flagged too.

This is an issue in gvg and other activities, because if there's a single outlaw, any of my area abilities will cause me to be flagged and suddenly start taking friendly fire (or being deliberately targeted) from other players that I'm supposed to be helping. In certain cases, getting flagged guarantees getting killed, so I'm no longer able to perform my role if there is an outlaw among the players I'm supporting.

I would be much happier if you simply could not heal outlaws without manually flagging yourself, rather than be force flagged if you hit someone with an ability.

Secondly, the LFG dungeon finder tool has issues with outlaws as well. If any of the queued players is an outlaw, healing or supporting them in any way flags you as an outlaw. This is true even if you are not a player from a pvp server yourself, you only need to be paired with one.

While flagged, the health bars of all your party members becomes red. They appear visually the same as the monster health bars, making it very difficult to judge properly how much health your party members have. Additionally, their health bars no longer change color when they receive a negative status effect, leaving you unable to quickly react when you need to cleanse a party member.

You can still see their health and status effects on the party interface, but it's not easy to identify which player on the list is which player on screen in certain fights. Personally, I think the outlaw status should have no place in an instance.

Have other support characters run into similar issues like this?


thats all great and dandy, but did you think about say your guildie goes outlaw, goes around and kills people but can't kill the healer that is feeding there outlaw heals? Wont work..
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Almost no-one in this thread read the OP...