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As I said in the other thread you created:

If you don't plan on overclocking, save yourself $100 and pick up the i5-2500k instead. Especially if this rig is going to be gaming only it's not worth the extra cash to fork over for hyperthreading.

Now, if you're going to be doing other thread intensive activities like running multiple VM instances or doing heavy video encoding then I would go with the 2600k. Otherwise for gaming go save yourself some cash and use that money towards replacing your HDD for a SSD instead. I'm sure you'd see noticeable performance gains all around with that little upgrade.
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Asurastrike Profile Options #22

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1) Typically you can pull the socket type (and therefore tri channel support) by looking at the cpu. I even stated I messed up, but you felt the need to bash me, good goin, bro.
2) So I'm gonna have zero airflow in my next rig. Stagnant air is best air. Hell, y'know what? Screw fans!
3) Do me a favor and blow it out your [filtered]. The fact you even tried to claim that you don't need airflow makes you a moron. Cold is better period. It's how physics work. Look up thermal expansion sometime, not to mention the integrity of circuits with increasing temperatures.


I posted b4 i went to the second page where you corrected the mistake cuz I caught it right away(I was like p8z68+tri channel? what?). I don't know what you're trying to say. I've never seen a sandybridge running on tri channel. All the 1155 motherboards I know just have dual channel.

You don't need a fancy case to have air flow. A 50 dollar coolmaster case comes with 3 fans or more and will give you enough air flow to run a typical desktop. Like I said, the temperature difference between a 200 dollar and a 50 dollar case is less than 5 degrees. It's mostly the CPU cooler that does the cooling. The op doesn't even have an aftermarket cooler and has no interest in overclocking like he said, so buying an expensive case makes no difference. Sorry if you feel ignorant cuz u truly are. I just feel bad when people get bad advice from clueless people. Seriously, if you don't know the stuff, don't bother!
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Asurastrike on 2012-03-01 22:20:46 UTC - view

You don't need a fancy case to have air flow. A 50 dollar coolmaster case comes with 3 fans or more amd will give you enough air flow to run a typical desktop. Like I said, the temperature difference between a 200 dollar and a 50 dollar case is less than 5 degrees. It's mostly the CPU cooler that does the cooling. The op doesn't even have an aftermarket cooler and has no interest in overclocking like he said, so buying an expensive case makes no difference. Sorry if you feel ignorant cuz u truly are. I just feel bad when people get bad advice from clueless people. Seriously, if you don't know the stuff, don't bother!

Do you have exact numbers to back this up? Also, please enlighten me on how more fans means better air flow. Positioning as well as several other dynamics factor in to air flow. Don't come quoting numbers without some facts to back it up.

And I like how you're trying to call me on being an idiot when you can't seem to either spell correctly or use proper punctuation. So pleez keep on bashing mee wheil u keep mispeeling.
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Ill keep my advicce simple.

A Nvidia GTX 560Ti is plenty good enough for Tera and is generaly concidered the best "bang for buck" graphics card out atm.

Lower the size of your HDD and spend some money on getting a 120gb or 2x 60gb Solid State Drives (raid0). They will deffinatly be worth the money.
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Do you have exact numbers to back this up? Also, please enlighten me on how more fans means better air flow. Positioning as well as several other dynamics factor in to air flow. Don't come quoting numbers without some facts to back it up.

And I like how you're trying to call me on being an idiot when you can't seem to either spell correctly or use proper punctuation. So pleez keep on bashing mee wheil u keep mispeeling


Pointing out typos/internet abbreviations makes u smart ofc.

ya I do have the numbers... I have:

2700k @ 4.5ghz + hyper 212 plus + coolermaster centurion(really really old) = 70C max after 8 hours of prime 95 stress test.

2700k @ stock + same fan and case = 57C max

The op's max temperature isn't going to go above 70C at stock speed even if he crams everything into a cardboard box(not even kidding).

Why do I need to back it up when it's SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO obvious that you don't need much cooling if you're going to run at stock speed? It's common sense...
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To the people telling him to get 16GB of memory, that's totally unnecessary. 8GB of memory is plenty unless he wants to run multiple games at the same time or has some heavy background services running (Like a database server).

A computer has 2 big bottle necks when it comes to performance:

1. Hard Drive
2. Memory

The next bottlenecks extend to the CPU and GPU.

Having a SSD will help speed up load time and any loads off of the hard drive that will occur in areas like populated cities (loading inactive character models and such into memory).

The next bottle neck is memory. Information that isn't readily available in the CPU cache will be stored in memory. The CPU needs to read anything that isn't in cache directly from memory to process it.

Memory is significantly slower than the CPU. Whenever I build a machine I try to get the fastest memory possible, not the most memory possible. 16GB is currently over kill. In my opinion he'd be much better off getting the fastest memory that he can afford and sticking with 8GB. He'll notice a huge performance increase having 8GB of extremely fast RAM over 16GB of slower RAM.

To the OP. DDR3-1600 is fairly good memory, but if I was expecting this machine to last 2+ years and get the best performance out of it, I would invest in faster memory. You WILL notice an increase in performance during in game loading (not pre-loading). What I mean by this is, running around a town and the engine decides to load a bunch of new character models into RAM -> Process in the CPU. This will cause significantly less hiccuping in large populated areas.

Anyways... that's just my 2 cents. The rest of the suggestions seem to be fairly good IMO.
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Asurastrike on 2012-03-01 22:44:03 UTC - view

Pointing out typos/internet abbreviations makes u smart ofc.

ya I do have the numbers... I have:
2700k @ 4.5ghz + hyper 212 plus + coolermaster centurion(really really old) = 70C max after 8 hours of prime 95 stress test.
2700k @ stock + same fan and case = 57C max
The op's max temperature isn't going to go above 70C at stock speed even if he crams everything into a cardboard box(not even kidding).
Why do I need to back it up when it's SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO obvious that you don't need much cooling if you're going to run at stock speed? It's common sense...

Did you not get the part about colder is better, in all situations? I'm not talking about it getting to high. I'm talking about making it as cold as humanly possible. Not to mention, maybe he changes his mind. What then. Now, I'm not saying to go blow extra money on high end stuff 'just in case', but at the same time, giving a little extra so you can move up later on is nice. It's up to the OP.

And it doesn't make me smart, but the pot calling the kettle black applies here.
Edited by: Caladbolg about 1 year ago
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To the OP. DDR3-1600 is fairly good memory


are you kidding? ripjaws 1600mhz is a beast and is the best selling ram on newegg or ncix. Its funny how ppl are all like omg you need more ram or better frequency when Tera only uses like 4 GB...
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Caladbolg on 2012-03-01 22:48:40 UTC - view
Asurastrike on 2012-03-01 22:44:03 UTC

Pointing out typos/internet abbreviations makes u smart ofc.

ya I do have the numbers... I have:
2700k @ 4.5ghz + hyper 212 plus + coolermaster centurion(really really old) = 70C max after 8 hours of prime 95 stress test.
2700k @ stock + same fan and case = 57C max
The op's max temperature isn't going to go above 70C at stock speed even if he crams everything into a cardboard box(not even kidding).
Why do I need to back it up when it's SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO obvious that you don't need much cooling if you're going to run at stock speed? It's common sense...

Did you not get the part about colder is better, in all situations? I'm not talking about it getting to high. I'm talking about making it as cold as humanly possible. Not to mention, maybe he changes his mind. What then. Now, I'm not saying to go blow extra money on high end stuff 'just in case', but at the same time, giving a little extra so you can move up later on is nice. It's up to the OP.

And it doesn't make me smart, but the pot calling the kettle black applies here.


You are right. As temperatures rise, your performance will start to drop. It's usually not until around critical levels that performance actually starts becoming noticeable though. However, having a cooler machine will help it live longer.

From what I understand, at present manufacturers are having a difficult time powering even 30% of the CPU. Any more than that will cause it to malfunction. Any extra strain on the CPU in the form of heat degrades performance.

Cooler is always better.
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Asurastrike on 2012-03-01 22:50:51 UTC - view

To the OP. DDR3-1600 is fairly good memory


are you kidding? ripjaws 1600mhz is a beast and is the best selling ram on newegg or ncix. Its funny how ppl are all like omg you need more ram or better frequency when Tera only uses like 4 GB...


Yes it is a "beast", and it is the best selling. That doesn't mean it's the fastest RAM out there. Just because a slower CPU is a beast and the best selling doesn't make it the fastest.

I'm just simply saying that if you want to maximize performance, memory speed is actually very important.