*sigh*
Do I need to break out the crayons?


No not comparing the two games in terms of the actual game.

People continue to spew forth garbage about how ever MMO that has had a cash shop in an NA has failed.

Using that bit of erroneous information to draw the line that it means Tera will fail.


I offer two examples of two MMOs, you know because they're all in the same genre and no they aren't the same games, where "cash shops" and "premium services" didn't NOT cause the game to fail.

Obviously cash shops and offering premium services do not cause MMOs to fail especially if the number 1 most successful MMO (like it or hate it) has both plus merchandise.


Initial point being this isn't the first example of an MMO charging a sub AND having other means of revenue



See the obvious fact some of you are missing, is here's the practical application of this particular issue.

Follow along now...

1. For this game to be successful it has to generate revenue. Especially if the game is to develop post launch and continue to add content, features, fluff , whatever.

a. This game is actually very low key it has seen very little press from gaming media sources and those who have given it a little bit of attention only wrote a few lines about it. So consequently this game needs all the revenue it can get.


2. Subscriptions generate revenue

3. Premium services (server transfers, race changes, name changes, ect stuff nmearly ANY mmo is going to charge you extra for anyway) generate revenue.

4. Cash Shop vanity or otherwise generates revenue.,

5. Merchandise generates revenue.

6. More revenue = more development.

7. More development hopefully means a better game that offers longevity to it's players.

But I'm sensing the majority of people crying foul about paid server transfers and some albeit ridiculously overpriced weaponskins don't really care if the game is successful or not, although I would think they should considering they paid for it and everything.

as if I care what people think?

......
One last time...tell me where I said i cared?

Quote: Nerelith on 05/22/2012, 01:15 AM

Quote: havenae on 05/22/2012, 01:08 AM

Quote: secretninja on 05/22/2012, 01:06 AM

Quote: havenae on 05/22/2012, 01:05 AM

Just in case no one has said it yet...


For all of those people claiming a vanity/premium service cash shop will make this game fail.


NEWS FLASH!

WoW Has a Vanity/Premium Services cash shop.


Fail what?

Lol comparing wow to tera... nuff said

Not comparing the two games, just using an example of a P2P game with a cash shop that isn't a failure.

Need another?

EQ2 had server transfers and such plus adventure packs that cost cash and didn't officially "fail" until relatively recently.


Your piss poor attempt to disregard the fact doesn't make it any less of a fact.

Ok Not comparing...followed by comparing?

Tera is not WoW

Tera is Not EQ2

*sigh*
Do I need to break out the crayons?


No not comparing the two games in terms of the actual game.

People continue to spew forth garbage about how ever MMO that has had a cash shop in an NA has failed.

Using that bit of erroneous information to draw the line that it means Tera will fail.


I offer two examples of two MMOs, you know because they're all in the same genre and no they aren't the same games, where "cash shops" and "premium services" didn't NOT cause the game to fail.

Obviously cash shops and offering premium services do not cause MMOs to fail especially if the number 1 most successful MMO (like it or hate it) has both plus merchandise.


Initial point being this isn't the first example of an MMO charging a sub AND having other means of revenue



See the obvious fact some of you are missing, is here's the practical application of this particular issue.

Follow along now...

1. For this game to be successful it has to generate revenue. Especially if the game is to develop post launch and continue to add content, features, fluff , whatever.

a. This game is actually very low key it has seen very little press from gaming media sources and those who have given it a little bit of attention only wrote a few lines about it. So consequently this game needs all the revenue it can get.


2. Subscriptions generate revenue

3. Premium services (server transfers, race changes, name changes, ect stuff nmearly ANY mmo is going to charge you extra for anyway) generate revenue.

4. Cash Shop vanity or otherwise generates revenue.,

5. Merchandise generates revenue.

6. More revenue = more development.

7. More development hopefully means a better game that offers longevity to it's players.

But I'm sensing the majority of people crying foul about paid server transfers and some albeit ridiculously overpriced weaponskins don't really care if the game is successful or not, although I would think they should considering they paid for it and everything.

Quote: havenae on 05/22/2012, 01:30 AM

please refrain from answering Nerelith's posts for the following reason:

Quote: Nerelith on 05/22/2012, 01:06 AM

as if I care what people think?

......
One last time...tell me where I said i cared?

He/she is a troll, the only response you get is a cookie cutter "straw man, ad hominem"

He/She feeds on your tears

i would argue for it, but it's not my argument.. my point is the content is already developed or being developed for the game... it's just being with held and sold exclusively... What's the difference between the 2 skins (gold vs vanity ones) besides looks, one is being sold and the other given for free... Sure one makes more money, and it's a business. I just feel the practice is wrong. Usually more cash/vanity stuff just leads to more development into that field. Most people just care about money.... with that speculation the cash/vanity shop will remain. However i still feel it's a wrong practice.

Quote: Xicor on 05/21/2012, 04:52 PM

Quote: StarHarrier on 05/21/2012, 04:35 PM

Excuse me if I've missed any response, but I've been under the impression that all of us that are disgruntled about "Premium Items" would be addressed soon. Can you give us an ETA for this address please?

why would there be a response? only a small portion of the playerbase has any reason to be against it... the rest of us are happy with it staying how it is.

Wrong. A very large number of people hate double dipping cash shops, just as a lot of thoughtless children and younger gamers, don't understand why it's bad, and actually argue in favor of paying more money for things.

+1 OP Enmasse seems not to respond...

I Really don't care what people think of the Cash Shop...

The problem is that Enmasse is doing the exact same thing that CAPCOM did the creators of Street Fighter X Tekken , IF you all are familiar with that game they added the DLC to all console releases of the game people who purchased it at the store had every right to access and use that content but they already had it developed and wanted to profit an Extra $20 from everyone so they did that banned lots of accounts for hacking DLC already on their disc they had every right to.

NOW we have Enmasse and I paid for my CD which I have here, I saw no agreement because there was none on the manual, that site given was false, and either way I am right no questions asked I know there is an agreement but it was never presented to me, and I was never told anything about a DAMN cash shop.

Now Enmasse wants to charge me $10 to change a color of my hair, $10 to change any detail EACH Time for content which I already paid for that I should be able to use, I am not talking about extra skin packs or such I will be more than happy to pay $10 for extra customization as long as they let me FREELY Customize with content I already purchased.

I have filed complaints online about Enmasse, I Demand a response from them, I tried peacefully first in Ticket, Forums they refuse to respond to the community, if they do not respond to my complaint within 10-20 days I file on other sites to give them bad BR reguardless.

I am sick and tired of Game Companies like Enmasse thinking they can step all over everyone make mistakes and get away with it constantly....

I am sick of the trolls trolling over $10 saying we should have to pay for it, if you want to pay for it go right ahead, but some of us choose not to including myself.

Enmasse needs to respond to the outrage on the issue, and don't tell me that when I purchased my game from the enmasse sight premium services, or items was listed there because it was not at no point was I made aware of this, and don't tell me it was on the forums, facebook, or twitter I dont care if it was or not, if it wasn't on the outside of my physical box, or in an agreement in the book, then technically under consumer rights they are ripping me off as a consumer, and I will take advantage of this.


** I will not be shocked when this game goes 100% Free 2 play, or is the next big flop of a Failure of a MMO in 2012, but hey I wait to see what Lineage 3 is like.**

** Don't say it wont happen either, because the direction Enmasse is going I smell a big FailBoat.**

** IF you look at the server populations they are no longer as full as they were when the game was released, no longer big quenes, doesn't that tell you something.**

Quote: Calypso on 05/21/2012, 10:15 PM

Quote: PinkPanda on 05/21/2012, 10:08 PM

Nerelith~ do you really think that if WoW launched today they'd wait 5 years from now before adding a vanity shop? You're kidding yourself if you think yes.

It has nothing to do with having an established fanbase, and everything to do with what the market of today supports~

An interesting proposition that deserves further scrutiny.

Pinkpanda, what do you think were the emergent market conditions, in the midst of a recession, that made the market more amenable to the idea of a cash shop in a pay to play, subscription-service game?

* hugs and welcomes calypso*