How about a response EME?

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Xicor on 05/21/2012, 05:58 PM - view
FiachSidhe on 05/21/2012, 05:24 PM
Xicor on 05/21/2012, 04:58 PM
im not arguing in favor of paying more money for things... but these are VANITY items... if you dont want em... dont buy em... the ppl who want them will buy them... you pay for your subscription... which allows you to play the game... dont expect to get extra. when you pay to get into a theme park, you expect to have to pay for food... this is the same way.


Yes you are. You're saying that an arbitrarily chosen optional item, is acceptable to be removed from the game we're all paying for, and sold extra. But so much of this game is already "optional". So what's the difference? Other than some corporate clown decided to take advantage of gamers with obsessive spending habits and screw everyone else out of content they may enjoy.

You're arguing in favor of content, no matter how minor, being removed from the game, and sold at outrageous prices on top of a subscription fee, and box sale.

To my knowledge, when new rides come out at amusement parks, they don't set them aside and make them optional rides for extra money.

I mean is paying one fifth the price of the entire game, worth one weapon skin, that only applies to one character?

Weapon skins on XBL don't even cost this much, and that [filtered] is run by Microsoft!

At least when Blizzard decided to be Activision's private fan f***ing, money vacuum, they had the small decency to make all their cash crap account bound.


this "content" was never in the game... it was never content... it was always optional... since it was never in the game... it was never removed from the game... meaning im perfectly content continuing to pay for the game i decided to pay for and not pay extra money on things i dont really care for... do i want free weapon skins? sure... but im not going to [filtered] to my mommy that the company is somehow doing something wrong by charging for things they are clearly already making money from.


. the cash shop items are content.

Just because the content was not in the game on release does not mean My $15 does not entitle me to access to them.

My $15 covers Access to Content. You just admitted the cash shop items are content.

that means I am paying for access to them,.... do I want them to just be handed to me? No... I do expect them to be hard to attain... maybe In a dungeon, maybe In exchange for battle ground tokens... maybe from a really hard bam. but with a 3 % drop rate?

Fact... cash shop items are content. Therefore the subscription covers access to them....
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Pepperzine on 05/21/2012, 08:57 PM - view
check the poll, more say no then yes. It's in the other thread (not petition)
http://www.learnmyself.com/personality.asp?p=poll-results&qp=81260x86CA478a

omg 500 people out of what? the hundreds of thousands of subs? so only 500 people even give a damn about the cash shop just shows how insignifcant this issue is.

Also wtf do people expect EME to come out to say? Premiun shop is here and most likely to stay there is nothing. Its like people thinks EME is their mom or dad and have to come in to every fight they have to say who is right and who is wrong.
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Fact... cash shop items are content. Therefore the subscription covers access to them....

opinion.

aftermarket vanity services are not content.

"There may be a point in time of TERA's lifecycle that we offer "vanity item" sales, pets, and other items that players have enjoyed in other AAA+ titles.
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senior developer said so.
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FiachSidhe on 05/21/2012, 06:02 PM - view
SeraElf on 05/21/2012, 05:43 PM
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FiachSidhe on 05/21/2012, 04:56 PM

Wrong. A very large number of people hate double dipping cash shops, just as a lot of thoughtless children and younger gamers, don't understand why it's bad, and actually argue in favor of paying more money for things.


You have no way of knowing what quantity of people are opposed to it. None of us do. Even EME doesn't.


I know how many NA mmorpgs that tried it, failed. All but one.


Failed in what fashion? How many? Which ones?
I've asked multiple times, but the only answer is get is "Well, Aion put up P2W and it failed!". While Aion going that route is certainly sucky, I have yet to see any "proof" that 1) Vanity-only Cash shops in P2P games caused irreparable damage to the game and it goes under or 2) That all P2P MMOs that start off with vanity shops ends up then changing to P2W.


1. Champions, terrible word of mouth caused low pop servers for three years, until went free to play.
2. Star Trek Online Released 2010, within months had "come back to us" promotions and went free to play a year and half later.
3. Age of Conan. Released 2008, struggled with terrible word of mouth until it too went free to play .

There is no proof that NA 'vanity only' cash shops have failed, because the only one to do so, can succeed while taking a dump in its players' mouths at this point.
Arguably, nothing sold in any of those cash shops mentioned was required to enjoy the game. Hell people said the same thing about them that you are, about this game's shop. OPTIONAL. Vanity or not.

Cash shops don't belong in subscription based games. They were created for free to play, and only the most greedy publishers include them on top of subs, people like Bobby Kotick who said " want to take the joy out of game development", and wishes games were even more expensive. (actual statements of his)

Those are the kind of people who promote these shops, and what they think of you as a customer.

Vanity or not, cash shops in American games don't do well. People think because WoW did they have the same kind of unique clout.


THIS^

I have been saying the same thing everytime one of the Kool-aid drinkers says 'World of Warcraft did it."

Newsflash This is Not World of warcraft. This neither has the following, nor the trust in it's Publisher, nor the Loyalty of it's fanbase, that World of Warcraft does

I Know some will sat " yes it does." dudes... Impossible in 3 weeks, as opposed to 5 years.

anyone that tries to say that Tera has the clout of Wold of Warcraft , by repeating." World of Warcraft did it." is deluded.

This is
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SeraElf on 05/21/2012, 06:11 PM - view
FiachSidhe on 05/21/2012, 06:02 PM
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1. Champions, terrible word of mouth caused low pop servers for three years, until went free to play.
2. Star Trek Online Released 2010, within months had "come back to us" promotions and went free to play a year and half later.
3. Age of Conan. Released 2008, struggled with terrible word of mouth until it too went free to play .

There is no proof that NA 'vanity only' cash shops have failed, because the only one to do so, can succeed while taking a dump in its players' mouths at this point.
Arguably, nothing sold in any of those cash shops mentioned was required to enjoy the game. Hell people said the same thing about them that you are, about this game's shop. OPTIONAL. Vanity or not.

Cash shops don't belong in subscription based games. They were created for free to play, and only the most greedy publishers include them on top of subs, people like Bobby Kotick who said " want to take the joy out of game development", and wishes games were even more expensive. (actual statements of his)

Those are the kind of people who promote these shops, and what they think of you as a customer.

Vanity or not, cash shops in American games don't do well. People think because WoW did they have the same kind of unique clout.


I wasn't aware that any of those 3 had vanity shops? Also, I don't consider a game as "failing" just because it didn't end of being as popular as WoW, or even if it goes F2P. IMO, a game hasn't "failed" until they can no longer turn enough profit to keep their servers open at all.
EQ2 has had a rather large cash shop for many years. They only recently went to a semi-F2P model (sub optional, limited F2P mode). Seemed to work out fine for them.

Sorry, I just disagree with the whole "Cash shops belong only in F2P games" train of thought. I believe that line of thinking is just the way of the past. Things evolve. I'm fine with that. Frankly, as I've mentioned in many posts, I don't view it any differently than paid expansions. That's content they make, that is withheld from anyone who doesn't pay RL money for it. People have been accepting of that for years and years. But somehow offering fluff "content" for RL money is a sign of the Apocalypse. I don't get it, but I also understand that not everyone thinks the same.


How many games offered an expansion on week 3?
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bottom line

there are some entitled little [filtered]es who are jelly of people who actually have jobs and money, and they would like to rage about other people buying vanity items that they cannot afford. its called being a hater, y u hatin?

there are a few people who would like to disguise their whining as legitimate concerns that this vanity shop will lead to a p2w cash shop later, but that argument is invalid since EME has stated it wont happen

so yeah, they arent gonna waste their time to come respond to a bunch of haters
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StarHarrier on 05/21/2012, 06:23 PM - view
Bottom line here is that while any publisher can choose to ignore their customers when a fair percentage of that customer-base is upset by something tha said publisher has done, it's not very smart to do so. They apportion a lot of $ to marketing, promotion etc. This kind of controversy will be damaging them. They really do need to avoid ignoring us. This year is particularly abundant with competitors for a company like EME. They need goodwill and friends and contented customers. Awell thought-out statement would have great value to EME.


Let's not forget that the same way that they benefit from free word-of-mouth reccomendations from their friends... when a % of the Population feels shat on....

they can use word of mouth the opposite way.

people see a paid for ad.. and become aware of a game... talk to their friends... if One says " stellar." and the other says." subscription + cash shop = greedy publisher,.. stay away from this steaming pile of dog doo doo"

do you really think that helps ?

remember Word-of-mouth is free.... but it can go both ways.
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Lowbei on 05/21/2012, 08:41 PM - view


bottom line

there are some entitled little [filtered]es who are jelly of people who actually have jobs and money, and they would like to rage about other people buying vanity items that they cannot afford. its called being a hater, y u hatin?

there are a few people who would like to disguise their whining as legitimate concerns that this vanity shop will lead to a p2w cash shop later, but that argument is invalid since EME has stated it wont happen

so yeah, they arent gonna waste their time to come respond to a bunch of haters


Ad hominem.... Logical content Null... therefore gets No responce since no logic was used in it's creation... try again.
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No OP, EME doesn't have to give any sort of response, since you are blowing the "problem" (not a problem in reality) way out of proportion.

There are five basic opinions on the Vanity item cash shop:

1) I will buy stuff from it, keep it.

2) I don't care. I probably won't buy from it, but I'm not a retard who wants to cry and whine to get the option taken away.

3) I don't like it vanity shops, but it doesn't effect me, so whatever.

4) I'm an idiot that doesn't understand that the premium services are vanity items and completely optional, so I'm gonna scream and yell to get rid of the scary thing I don't understand.

5) I'm a troll, 'nuff said.

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Cheg on 05/21/2012, 09:02 PM - view
Nerelith on 05/21/2012, 09:00 PM
Xicor on 05/21/2012, 04:58 PM
im not arguing in favor of paying more money for things... but these are VANITY items... if you dont want em... dont buy em... the ppl who want them will buy them... you pay for your subscription... which allows you to play the game... dont expect to get extra. when you pay to get into a theme park, you expect to have to pay for food... this is the same way.


False analogy,... strawman argument.... Logical content null


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English translation

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Now where is the relevance?