Quote: Alkesh on 03/21/2012, 04:36 AM - view

The dysfunction comes from the beholder's inability to forgo literal empathy. To attempt to experience the deviance and understand it mentally. So it very literally is, their own problem.

And people don't think differently. That is something stupid people who wanted to feel like a snowflake came up with to self rationalize their existence. People all think in an extremely predictable way. Billions of people are subject to behavioral manipulation on a sometimes minute by minute basis in highly populated areas. That is only possible because of how similarly we all think and behave.

The reaction to visual stimulation someone "imagines" is offensive, should have little barring on its positive or negative nature. The imaginings of a paranoid deviant should not steer the course of anything. You might as well tell your cat to get a job and start crapping in that box on the floor.

Quote: Thaid on 03/21/2012, 12:10 AM - view

Oh boy, the NAMBLA argument again...

So if all of the men in this game had their genitalia hanging out, everyone who complains is automatically attracted to men? If someone complains about visible popori genitalia, they're a furry?

If your mother doesn't like the elin in panties, that means she's secretly a lesbian pedophile?

It's fully possible for someone to not like looking at something without being drawn to it. In fact, that's the norm. Call it modesty, but EME's goal was to not put something in their game that would make NA audiences uncomfortable.

Blaming the victim doesn't make for a more compelling argument.

Quote: Thaid on 03/21/2012, 04:56 AM - view

That is patently false.

One person looks at elin in panties and goes, "Ooh, sexy!" (like a few on this forum :P)

Another sees it and says, "That's kinda weird."

Yet another sees it and says, "That's disgusting. Children shouldn't be sexualized like that.", and maybe she says this because SHE was sexualized as a child so the sight of the elin invokes feelings of empathy in her.

Experience dictates reaction. Psychology 101.

It's all irrelevant, though: EME censored it because focus groups found it unappealing so they censored it to make it more appealing.

The only mystery here is why some people believe their personal opinions to be more valuable than focus group data...

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And then we get that meaningless pseudocensorship that visually changes practically nothing, doesn't even touch the real problem by the slightest, doesn't unhurt real victims - while "addressing" a "problem" of nonexistent fantasy characters (that may like to [filtered] all fantasy day long for all we know).

Essentially doing a thing (+1% wardrobe, everything else left intact - 1% unsexualization ?), that would be seen as a complete mockery by any real victim. Not mentioning that even if the censoring was done more thoroughly and completely, the "reasons" would be plain out insulting to such victims.

Not that it had anything to do with EnM's reasons in the first place (counter-FUD).


There are hundreds of thousands people that experienced wars. Some are tied to the wheelchairs, some live permanently on painkillers, some have physical and psychical scars we can't possibly comprehend, some saw people dying in their place and so on.

And here we are - playing mindless genocide in Tera (or almost any other game for that matter), casting balls of fire (people shouldn't joke about being burnt alive - maybe that's because HE has scars all over HIS body from incidents in the past) and doing other nonsenses for hours per day. For fun. So let's censor that ! By removing 2% of blood and changing its color to green.

Some retarded politicians actually go for that (helping noone and insulting real victims in the process) - in the same way retarded feminists and moralists chase their sexualization phobias (helping noone and insulting real victims in the process). Or recently paypal chased after some ebook sellers trying to impose their "morality code" - funny how it pointed fingers to creditcard companies, and they pointed back at it.

Keep fiction separate from reality. They don't mix. And it's nonsensical and insulting on many levels.

Quote: msoltyspl on 03/21/2012, 06:46 AM - view

I like your speaking tactics, reductio ad absurdum.

Wow. I should have been following this thread more often. Just how did this turn into yet another Elin-atic thread?

Because people like to argue like they think it's going to change anything. This thread lost it's charm a long time ago.

Elin censorship is meh most armour covers up anyways so big whoop

the pet shop was just an annoyance. i'd rather not have a laggy town and use the Auction house properly.

the Box of Mischief is just w/e. better off to gather the materials anyways then testing your luck.

BoP - this will come in handy to balance the Eco (aka don't forget Chrono scrolls)

LFG system - in honestly people who are using the looking for group chat as of this moment it wont really matter that much, it'll just increase the amounts of groups and help lower pop servers.
(i'd rather do groups with my guildies/friends anyways :D)


a few changes that'd i would like to see is,
Mature lang filter fix. This game is Rated M for a reason this isn't Barney's dinosaur world. tbh use the 7 dirty words from George Carlin and probably a few racial slurs

Health numbers on enemies rather then just percents (or could do a switcher like how we do with the player's hp UI)

more death respawning points for outside questing. this is for certain questing areas like the 30s (the beach area island and north of it the jungle maybe other areas but will see :))

All the "westernize" its kinda dumb and non sense especially the elin change. Cmon u see kids in panties when u go to the beach non stop and u dont have a bonner if u are not sick. This thing is all about "ooh we are western people we have superior thinking and we are more mature and we dont like kids in panties" its kinda retarded no offence.

Ps : im not an elin fan ill never play one and if id have to choose what to look at id choose to look at an elf ,human or castanik not at an elin . But this change upsets me bcz its HYPOCRISY at the hightest level.

So to answer your question, until now I have a bad oppinion about enmasee and frogster( in europe were im from - they will do the same changes).