I was in an NT group this weekend and while everybody in the group had been in there several times, the lancer was brand new. We told him one boss fight and he got pissed at us telling him what to do saying "If you think you can do better, then do it!" and left.
So I MT'd on my warrior and we did it easily with 4 people, LOL...
As something of an experiment, I would like to see all the classes be given a threat increase buff like warriors, and a slight buff to their survival tools, just to see what besides a threat increase lancers actually bring to the table.
Most people with a brain have no problem keeping a boss busy while a healer resses a tank, but we have no way of managing threat beyond that.
[W]hat[,] besides a threat increase[, do L]ancers actually bring to the table[?]
Shields. Stuns. There is a reason BHS and EME prefer to call Lancers and defensive Warriors "control" classes, while tanking is an action (even Mystics can "tank"). The ability to handle the boss, and have a series of interrupts and stuns, and attention getting devices, allows Lancers and Warriors together to more reliably stabilize the boss or group of mobs in its/their tracks, in order to minimize run around, and help the damage-dealing classes focus their attention more carefully.
You mean block like a berserker? The only difference is the devs put a higher number up for lancers.
interrupts other classes have.
"attention getting devices" what the hell did you quote me for?
You mean block like a berserker? The only difference is the devs put a higher number up for lancers.
interrupts other classes have.
"attention getting devices" what the hell did you quote me for?
Lancer Shield Block absorbs a LOT more damage than a Zerk Axe Block. So much, in fact, that Lancers avoid just DYING all the time by keeping their shield up once they grab a pack and cement their hate on him with a Counter, or by Onslaughting through them in order to get their backs turned to the group.
Zerks cannot do this, and must use their Block as a slayer does his Evasive Roll: i.e., self-defensively. They cannot control the mob's attention, or direct it. Not thate Warriors handle this by carefully positioning themselves and moving ever so slightly to the sides to avoid frontal attacks, or by jumping behind with an Aggressor up front into order to keep the boss's attention focused.
Also consider that it is a sorry, sorry damage-dealer who TRIES to get attention on the mob or boss away from the Lancer, save when the Lancer is dead and they have to keep the boss off the healer. This is the major purpose of Zerk and Slayer stuns. They also use them adequately in a normal fight, and the high threat generation on Lancer attacks counteract most of this (along with better threat generation per second).
I also re-quoted you to 1. fix your grammar, and 2. re-phrase the statement as a question that could be answered in such a fashion directly. You posed a hypothetical, but seem to refuse to note that you can form this test rather easily: Get a group, pretend you're a Lancer, put in a threat gem, and see how easily you can tank an instance on a Zerk or Slayer ... or Sorc ... or Archer. Go on. Try.
Lancers think they are Hot Sh*t because they are the only ones who tank. They needa make other classes able to tank to knock them down from their pedestal. The majority are very selfish (perhaps because they want to tank and have to play the most boring class besides archer to do so)
The worst I've run into is a string of Lancers that kick every berserker they see out of their groups, and throw a fit when the Berserker wins any loot rolls, despite the fact the Lancer will roll on obvious DPS equipment still all the same.
The worst I've run into is a string of Lancers that kick every berserker they see out of their groups, and throw a fit when the Berserker wins any loot rolls, despite the fact the Lancer will roll on obvious DPS equipment still all the same.
I hate when this happens, I get tells from my Lancer all the time: "Can you kick the Berserker?"
I hate having sorcerers in my group too, but as much as I hate them, I know they deal amazing damage, so I have to live with it.
People just need to learn to kick winners from party so they can stop doing stupid things like this.
Ive done quite a few runs where I would simply kick my lancer and finish the dungeon with a Berzerker tank or Warrior tank, or no tanks at all, just pure DPS.
