Instance Theft

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Crica on 04/24/2012, 03:38 PM - view
Skan on 04/24/2012, 03:34 PM
Don't understand what that has to do with this crica.
The gear is BoE - Use the Broker to sell what you win that you wont use and buy what you dont win that you will use.

I dont understand what all the crying over loot in LFD groups is about?

Did you read the first post? The example used is the lootmaster ninja-changing the loot rules to "free for all" right before the last boss dies, and then quickly grabbing everything.

So yeah, not sure what your post is referring to.
Edited by: Mehve about 1 year ago
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Mehve on 04/24/2012, 03:42 PM - view
Crica on 04/24/2012, 03:38 PM
Skan on 04/24/2012, 03:34 PM
Don't understand what that has to do with this crica.
The gear is BoE - Use the Broker to sell what you win that you wont use and buy what you dont win that you will use.

I dont understand what all the crying over loot in LFD groups is about?

Did you read the first post? The example used is the lootmaster ninja-changing the loot rules to "free for all" right before the last boss dies, and then quickly grabbing everything.

So yeah, not sure what your post is referring to.


OIC. My bad. Yeah, needs to have a pop-up for each player to be able to accept or deny any changes to the looting.
Edited by: Crica about 1 year ago
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[quote name='Spikoli' at='04/24/2012, 02:51 PM'][quote name='Creylith' at='04/24/2012, 02:26 PM'][quote name='Spikoli' at='04/24/2012, 02:14 PM'][quote name='Valendore' at='04/24/2012, 01:56 PM']

So if EnMasse changes the group loot option system to accommodate this portion of the community, that the game really wasn't even designed for - and takes eve one step closer to eliminating a social policing option that can be taken care of by guilds, just to appease this crowd?

It is counter productive.

It doesn't make any sense.[/quote]

Your suggestion would make perfect sense if the LFD wasn't cross server, but with it being cross server there is no way for the communities to police things like this.

And there are more than just guildless people that use it, for example in my guild we have varying levels of characters and much as I would love to run my priest with our lower level members it would hurt their xp and drops too much, so they will have occasion to use the LFD.
Edited by: Creylith about 1 year ago
Mehve Profile Options #244

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So why enable the armpit players more than you have to? They (EME) would get far too much outcry if they completely removed the ability to change loot settings. But they already modify some things for x-server players (i.e. can't trade), so I can't see another little tweak being that difficult.

A simple round-robin/class-specific/roll-on-rare+, or a vote requirement for loot changes, for just the instance finder isn't going to hurt anything. Aside from your provided example of guild warfare, which is dependant on 1) both you and the opposing player actually using the instance finder (which guildies don't, you suggested), 2) winding up on the same random party as an opposiing guild on a x-server system, AND 3) them being dumb enough to stay in the party long enough for you to ninja them later on.
Edited by: Mehve about 1 year ago
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Spikoli on 04/24/2012, 04:13 PM - view
@ Creylith -

It is my contention, that if EnMasse makes a change to the LFD group loot options - something similar to what you propose, that it will just be easier and less of a hassle for them if they just change all group loot options to your suggestion.

People have warned time and time again - that you get the bottom of the barrel when you use a cross server LFD. It is filled with scumbags and thieves.

I fear that a Sandbox portion of my gameplay is going to be governed away by software, because of problems stemming from the armpit of the MMO community. Puggers.


can you just stop posting gibberish?
you even contradict yourself.
Saying you could use LFD for political issues and make a guild want to pvp you by stealing their loot yet believing only guildless/asocial people use it.

you totally make sense :)

And you assume yet again that making a change to LFD will make EME change normal grouping too
how in the world you came to that conclusion?

Most of people here would be against same system included on normal grouping.Yes same people support the idea of locked loot options for LFD

seriously go troll elsewhere though we thank you for the bumps.

Hoping EME staff checks this thread anytime soon
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Lunaus on 04/24/2012, 09:53 AM - view
Aerovar on 04/24/2012, 09:41 AM
but honestly its a bow dude you're a slayer..wtf are you gonna do with that?


Sell it, give it to a guildie, a friend, destroy it via drop, send it to an alt, show it off in Area chat. I dunno.


Exactly my point,...what you just described is what people do with trash. Meanwhile the player that actually needed it must wait longer for upgrades....

This is why you shouldn't be able to loot or roll on gear that you can't equip in LFD, unless of course no one can equip or everyone can then it should be rolled on by all.

Isn't this common sense? I mean c'mon,...why would a Lancer need to roll on robes or a priest roll on heavy armor.

This is Loot 101

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Mehve on 04/24/2012, 04:27 PM - view
So why enable the armpit players more than you have to? They (EME) would get far too much outcry if they completely removed the ability to change loot settings. But they already modify some things for x-server players (i.e. can't trade), so I can't see another little tweak being that difficult.



A simple round-robin/class-specific/rol- on-rare+ for just the instance finder isn't going to hurt anything, or failing that, a vote requirement for loot changes. Aside from your provided example of guild warfare, which is dependant on 1) both you and the opposing player actually using the instance finder (which guildies don't, you suggested), 2) winding up on the same random party as an opposiing guild on a x-server system, AND 3) them being dumb enough to stay in the party long enough for you the ninja them later on.


What I am saying is that I find it MORE LIKELY that if Enmasse feels pressure to change group loot options for LFD, that they will most likley change it for ALL GROUP LOOTING. I just don't see EnMasse creating a change to the group loot system specifically for LFD and LFD only.

If they make a change to the way loot is distributed while in a group, it will be across the board - and that governs community porblems with software. That is bad for Sandbox gaming.
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Aerovar on 04/24/2012, 04:28 PM - view
Lunaus on 04/24/2012, 09:53 AM
Aerovar on 04/24/2012, 09:41 AM
but honestly its a bow dude you're a slayer..wtf are you gonna do with that?


Sell it, give it to a guildie, a friend, destroy it via drop, send it to an alt, show it off in Area chat. I dunno.


Exactly my point,...what you just described is what people do with trash. Meanwhile the player that actually needed it must wait longer for upgrades....

This is why you shouldn't be able to loot or roll on gear that you can't equip in LFD, unless of course no one can equip or everyone can then it should be rolled on by all.

Isn't this common sense? I mean c'mon,...why would a Lancer need to roll on robes or a priest roll on heavy armor.

This is Loot 101


A lot of people don't realize that the enhancement system doesn't require exact matches for gear. ANY weapon of the same tier can be used to enhance your own weapon. ANY gear of the same general type (body, legs, arms) of the same tier can be used to enhance your own.

So yeah, so what if that slayer needed that blue greatsword? I need to try for +5 on my lance.
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Spikoli on 04/24/2012, 04:31 PM - view
What I am saying is that I find it MORE LIKELY that if Enmasse feels pressure to change group loot options for LFD, that they will most likley change it for ALL GROUP LOOTING. I just don't see EnMasse creating a change to the group loot system specifically for LFD and LFD only.

If they make a change to the way loot is distributed while in a group, it will be across the board - and that governs community porblems with software. That is bad for Sandbox gaming.

I'll admit there's plenty of examples elsewhere to substantiate that sort of fear. Although personally, the last thing EME needs is a thousand random posts on the internets to the effect of "u can't even change loot settings! LAME!" (and they would be right), so I would think that sort of thing would outweigh any inclination towards the simplest solution.

But how about a vote requirement for loot changes?
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EdgeTO on 04/23/2012, 07:51 AM - view
Obviously it should not be possible to switch loot settings mid-fight. Hope it gets fixed.


Imo, the loot setting should be set in stone.

Make it roll on anything green and above and make it class restricted.

Yes it doesn't take into account people being able to sell/trade other classes drops but its really the only way to avoid abuse for the LFD tool.
Edited by: Cinge about 1 year ago