Quote: Spikoli on 04/24/2012, 04:13 PM

@ Creylith -



It is my contention, that if EnMasse makes a change to the LFD group loot options - something similar to what you propose, that it will just be easier and less of a hassle for them if they just change all group loot options to your suggestion.



People have warned time and time again - that you get the bottom of the barrel when you use a cross server LFD. It is filled with scumbags and thieves.



I fear that a Sandbox portion of my gameplay is going to be governed away by software, because of problems stemming from the armpit of the MMO community. Puggers.

can you just stop posting gibberish?

you even contradict yourself.

Saying you could use LFD for political issues and make a guild want to pvp you by stealing their loot yet believing only guildless/asocial people use it.



you totally make sense :)



And you assume yet again that making a change to LFD will make EME change normal grouping too

how in the world you came to that conclusion?



Most of people here would be against same system included on normal grouping.Yes same people support the idea of locked loot options for LFD



seriously go troll elsewhere though we thank you for the bumps.



Hoping EME staff checks this thread anytime soon

And if this change is applied to ALL GROUP LOOT. You can take 100's of players off of Sandbox Bounty Boards.

So I guess I will jsut sit around in Velika and wait for my queue to pop, because there is no other reason to go out in the open world at max level.

Maybe we can all just sit around a campfire and sing "Kum Ba Yah" on a PvP server.

One thing I know for certain that gets people fighting, and brings out the worst in players - is loot.

Can you imagine the Hate! The Open World PvP fighting, if people are stealing loot in game?

It is what a PvP server should be. People fighting.

Maybe we can all just sit around a campfire and sing "Kum Ba Yah" on a PvP server.

One thing I know for certain that gets people fighting, and brings out the worst in players - is loot.

Can you imagine the Hate! The Open World PvP fighting, if people are stealing loot in game?

It is what a PvP server should be. People fighting.

Quote: Aerovar on 04/24/2012, 04:28 PM

Quote: Lunaus on 04/24/2012, 09:53 AM

Quote: Aerovar on 04/24/2012, 09:41 AM

but honestly its a bow dude you're a slayer..wtf are you gonna do with that?

Sell it, give it to a guildie, a friend, destroy it via drop, send it to an alt, show it off in Area chat. I dunno.

Exactly my point,...what you just described is what people do with trash. Meanwhile the player that actually needed it must wait longer for upgrades....

This is why you shouldn't be able to loot or roll on gear that you can't equip in LFD, unless of course no one can equip or everyone can then it should be rolled on by all.

Isn't this common sense? I mean c'mon,...why would a Lancer need to roll on robes or a priest roll on heavy armor.

This is Loot 101

A lot of people don't realize that the enhancement system doesn't require exact matches for gear. ANY weapon of the same tier can be used to enhance your own weapon. ANY gear of the same general type (body, legs, arms) of the same tier can be used to enhance your own.

So yeah, so what if that slayer needed that blue greatsword? I need to try for +5 on my lance.

Quote: Spikoli on 04/24/2012, 04:47 PM

And if this change is applied to ALL GROUP LOOT. You can take 100's of players off of Sandbox Bounty Boards.



So I guess I will jsut sit around in Velika and wait for my queue to pop, because there is no other reason to go out in the open world at max level.

WTf are you talking about?



This thread is purely based on loot options when using the LFD tool, that's it. Because its cross server there is no accountability, thus the loot options need to be tweaked to avoid abuse.



If you make your own group without the LFD tool, nothing would change. Mess with the options all you want, because its character from the same server so reputation and accountability come into play.

I wanted to join Your discussion guys but I'm sorry I failed in finding a reasonable point in Spikoli messages therefore I give in.

As to 2bSecured situation, of course it should be changed and I can say more. It must be changed.
I know there are thousand of people jumping in saying "go to PvE server" or something that way but this kind of incident might even cause changes to the current server market situation.

Some suggestions that might be taken into considaration.

First comes slight changes to the current build:

- Making loot change notification displayed in more noticable way.
- Making loot change available outside the combat only.
- Making small window popping up after changing loot options that contains loot options (let's say right bottom corner).

Then comes bigger change for LFD tool only:

- Every party member must accept loot options change otherwise You'll not be able to pick up drops.
- Party Leader selection:

- Party Leader must be accepted before entering the instance:
Party Leader is being accepted after setting loot options (loot options in that case cannot be changed later).

since this is the biggest issue here there might be few ways to find a solution.

Leader selecrion based on reputation:
- After every run players will be able to vote positive or negative on party leadder. After finishing instance window with question would pop up where party members could vote "+" or "-".

Since it probably looks exploitable to some of You it will force people to behave in low and mid game instances if they think about leading some party in end game instance.

Random
- With previous changes implemented random option isn't so much threat anymore (players would roll dice before entering the instance).

Voting
- Party Leader election would take place right before entering the instance. It's hard to make it fair though, it's obvious that guild parties would have advantage over pugs. Also I'm not sure what would be best solution in case there was a draw.

Activity
- Party Leader based on activity in instances. It would pick person with some experience. Based on time, number of runs and secceeded runs.



These are just my thoughts so I understand You won't agree with that. I'm not giving this to change whole LFD tool, it's just response to OP's post who's got a point in that case.
People also must remember that it has to be fair for both sides - guild party members and pugs, it's always hard to satisfy both.

Quote: Cinge on 04/24/2012, 04:56 PM

Quote: Spikoli on 04/24/2012, 04:47 PM

And if this change is applied to ALL GROUP LOOT. You can take 100's of players off of Sandbox Bounty Boards.



So I guess I will jsut sit around in Velika and wait for my queue to pop, because there is no other reason to go out in the open world at max level.

WTf are you talking about?



This thread is purely based on loot options when using the LFD tool, that's it. Because its cross server there is no accountability, thus the loot options need to be tweaked to avoid abuse.



If you make your own group without the LFD tool, nothing would change. Mess with the options all you want, because its character from the same server so reputation and accountability come into play.

You obviously didnt read enough of the thread, like many other posters that just open their yaps without sufficent research.

I find it highly unlikley that if EnMasse makes a change to group loot rules, that it will be LFD only changes. If they take the time to re - code group loot options, I find it highly likely, they will apply it to all groups.

Example:

2 weeks ago the argument of the day: LFD finder or no LFD finder. The geniuses in the forum, myself included, agreed that if it was implemented - an option to use it as a server only tool, and an option to use it as a cross server tool, would be a good compromise.

Did Enmasse listen to that? Nope. 1 solution. Cross server LFD. You guys got what you wanted, and you are now crying about the exact things we warned you of when it comes to cross server LFD's. D-Bags with no accountability. We told you! You don't care though, you want to log in and get in your group in 5 minutes, and play your ultra casual carebear lifestyles.

Why should I believe that EnMasse, if addressing this issue again, is going to provide more than one solution, and not just save themselves time to future updating procedures, by just having to code 1 group loot option updates, instead of 2 seperate rulesets?

They won't. Time is money.