Hi guy/gals

I have been seeing so much Lancer hate lately on the forums and I'd like to point out some personal experiences in game and how it relates. With the spoiler of the up comming patch and warrior tanking buff - many people are rejoicing, but lets talk about the state of lancers right now.

My Lancer is level 60 on JC and I have been tanking for over 2 weeks.

#1 Lancer is boring/slow as hell to level - does minimal damage, and sacrifices all defense while trying to farm/kill mobs, when i hit upper 40s and into 50s I had to beg DPS in quest zones to level with me while slayers/berserkers/sorcs aoe'd waves of mobs at a time. Some of these DPS outright refused because they knew lancer's would contribute very little dmg and they would have to split - needless to say I am not tanking any instances for these people

#2 Lancer is very boring to play. Hold shield, pop-out now and then to throw out some debuffs/taunts to hold aggro, hold shield again. Thats it! Thats how every boss fight goes. Needless to say after farming FoK/BT 100x it gets old fast.

#3 I have alts too - that I play. I love my slayer- I have fun when i play my slayer. Granted that I am not level 60 yet with my slayer but even the leveling process is much more enjoyable. When in a dungeon the game is much more pro-active and I actually have to time my attacks. I love it.

#4 If you guys feel that lancers act so arrogantly and that there are not enough, why not YOU play lancer? I'll be more than glad to DPS and play my other classes. The only reason I rolled a lancer in the first place is because when the game was still in beta so many people complained that there were not enough and thus I rolled a lancer to help the balance - only to get hated on by the same community to ask us the players to do so. Hypocrisy at its best.

ON the situation with berserkers:

#5 Yes I have kicked berserkers before, reason why: 2 Seperate occasions I have pugged Berserkers and only to have them win drops with + AGGRO GEAR. When I ask why did you roll on X gear when it had + AGGRO, response was "Force of habit, I roll when I can". Well MOFO - you ain't gonna roll against no body then. And from that point on I was very selective on when I wanted to run a zerker in my parties.

TL:DR - PPL complain about Lancer's but they themselves do not contribute to the balance of things. Everyone wants to PEW PEW bosses - well so do I - you play Lancer then, see how you like it - and I can DPS. Berserkers are kicked for a reason, sometimes they roll for crap they don't actually use.

That was quite a good counter argument.

+1 to you, but now we shall continue with the hate!

*grabs pitchfork*

Again today, people in LFG chat complaining about how this game is sucks because they sit in queue for 2 hours and nothing happens. I suggested that they roll tank/healer so that they can get in and help the balance... and then there was silence.

multiplayer game means that everyone has to contribute, if everyone just wants to do there own thing and not contribute - then everyone ends up suffering in the long run.

I switched from a Berserker to a Lancer just due to the group of my friends needing a tank. I'm currently level 49 and leveling solo is freaking ridiculous. I was telling a friend that I'd rather spend a half hour to 45 mins soloing a BAM than doing a quest that requires me to kill a mob with minions.

Sure, Lancers get fast dungeon queues, but leveling is extremely long and slow compared to every other class.

[EDIT] Everyone will roll for what they want !! will they use it or not is their business.. [EDIT]

I'm reminded of when I used to play Final Fantasy XI. In FFXI you lost EXP when you died, and if you lost enough of it you could actually de-level. It wasn't some small amount of EXP either: Several hours of grinding would be required after one death and if you start to stack them up it could become quite significant. As a Paladin, the premier tanking class of the game for a lot of content, I happened to die doing group events very often. Everyone wanted you to tank the big bosses, but when it came time to join in on the group "grinding" parties I was suddenly outcast. Paladin would slow down their EXP/Hour ratio, and so I was forced to go solo most of my EXP back in the most boring game-play you can imagine.

I think the next time a thread starts about having to wait for a Lancer to show I'm going to mention that the only reason we are all waiting is because the Lancer is still trying to level up while you blew past all the content and are busy sitting at the dungeon entrance.

From a purely manipulative perspective, I see no reason not to party with a Lancer, or anyone else really, while you are doing the "solo" quests. It isn't as though they really slow down the amount of EXP you can gain, and making friends with the Tank class is hardly a bad thing in the long run.

Edit: Also, one of the better things I ever did for my Berserker was to level up a Lancer. I *will* have my cake and eat it too, gosh darnit.

Quote: Foreverlord on 05/31/2012, 11:49 PM - view

This can be blamed on them making lancer so boring too. Not enough people wanted to step up to play a boring class. They need to make it funner and more versatile.

Quote: ReiKoji on 06/01/2012, 01:42 AM - view

Psh. We all know that's not going to happen. Just look at the new warrior abilities compared to the garbage they gave lancers. All I have to say is overwhelm better do a lot of damage otherwise I'm completely underwhelmed. The backstep is nice but it's still just two abilities compared to the three warriors are getting and the other three skills they got last time.

Why do warriors get 6 new skills, the ability to tank AND deal damage while lancers get a laughable two new abilities?

So...a couple berserkers rolled on gear for you and you feel that kicking them is thusly justified...

...and at the same time, just because a couple of lancers have been d-bags in no way means the whole group should be viewed that way.

I do so love cognitive dissonance.

The reason why I kick most beserkers is because they come in Balder's Temple with fking HP/MP regen crystals. GTFO!