Lancer Complex/You should!

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I'm not sure what the intent of the OP's post. He wants us to give him credit for picking an unpopular class, he makes it sound like lancers can be arrogant because of X, Y and Z.

Let us look at the bigger picture. There are not enough lancers out there to handle the amount of pending que's. So buffing a warrior to "help" tank dungeons is just fine with me. Does it mean lancers will be replaced? Absolutely not. It will help reduce the wait for everyone else and I think we should all be in support of that.

BTW my lancer could solo a BAM all day with our sustain but I choose to maximize the opprotunities I get to fill in with the MANY skills we have. If you only use 3 buttons for your lancer, you are not maximizing your potential.
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Katosu on 06/01/2012, 01:31 PM - view
Melona on 06/01/2012, 12:54 PM
Katosu on 06/01/2012, 12:49 PM
Melona on 06/01/2012, 12:46 PM
Katosu on 06/01/2012, 12:40 PM
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I say it's a three button class because those three buttons are the only ones that actually matter or have any weight behind their actions. You can very VERY easily get by with just those three buttons. Anything else you throw in there is just fluff that doesn't actually contribute much. I don't even run with +threat crystals and I can easily maintain aggro with just shield counter and some taunts sprinkled in occasionally.


Anyone can do anything with three buttons. Being a good player means you become involved with your class and use it for every aspect.

I will admit, I forgot Shield Counter on that list. And I do wind up using Shield Counter / Stand Fast / Taunt a lot (Especially during enrages), but there are -always- ways to make our class more involved/situationally respond. I'm sorry, I completely disagree with your statement.

Perhaps being a lancer isn't for you? =/


I understand that you can be more involved.The problem is that being more involved isn't even remotely rewarding to the class. Maybe if our interrupts worked 100% of the time on BAMs. Maybe if shield barrage into spring attack did more damage than 3x combo attack into spring attack. I will admit that I use Iron Will frequently but it isn't exactly a "fun" skill to use.

I guess that's my point. The class is poorly designed. It's not the role that I find boring. It's how poorly they designed the class for performing that role. It's not involved enough. Between the few buttons worth using and the fact that the class spends the majority of its time standing still doing NOTHING it's just not a fun class.


I really do feel this is purely preference. Knowing when to use what skills, knowing how to read enemy attacks - it's all a mind game for me, and I love to play it. That's why I love lancer, I enjoy the challenge (Whcih some laugh at, but really, how many of you know every BAM's tell? There's a lot we lancer's need to be ready for, and if we do it wrong, everything will go wrong)

Regardless, I Respect your opinion. I hope they can make the class more enjoyable for you, or you find a class you actually enjoy. :)


Exactly.

When I play my Sorceror I often miss because I can't judge when the boss will jump out of the way of my attack. When I play a lancer I have to learn when it will jump. Go through the game with a lancer, you will improve the way you play for every other class.
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Melona on 06/01/2012, 12:46 PM - view
Katosu on 06/01/2012, 12:40 PM
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I say it's a three button class because those three buttons are the only ones that actually matter or have any weight behind their actions. You can very VERY easily get by with just those three buttons. Anything else you throw in there is just fluff that doesn't actually contribute much. I don't even run with +threat crystals and I can easily maintain aggro with just shield counter and some taunts sprinkled in occasionally.

The three buttons are block, shield counter and debilitate by the way and this is for BAMs. Trash you either get to do whatever you want because they are easy or you don't get to do much of anything other than block and shield counter because they attack too fast or there are too many.


Well that is one way to tank, many others including myself find it challenging i suppose because other than standard aggro/debuff rotation we throw combos in too. Iy really does make a difference because 1. You might possibly knockdown the bam resulting in more uptime for your team on said bam/boss. 2. You can wind up doing anywhere from 3-10% on the boss over the course of the fight, which can only help your team. I dont know I find it dynamic and exciting when i can be 4 shotted and im fitting in combo's split second in between my rotations. But I could just be alone on that lol.
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BlancRo on 06/02/2012, 07:25 AM - view
Melona on 06/01/2012, 12:46 PM
Katosu on 06/01/2012, 12:40 PM
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I say it's a three button class because those three buttons are the only ones that actually matter or have any weight behind their actions. You can very VERY easily get by with just those three buttons. Anything else you throw in there is just fluff that doesn't actually contribute much. I don't even run with +threat crystals and I can easily maintain aggro with just shield counter and some taunts sprinkled in occasionally.

The three buttons are block, shield counter and debilitate by the way and this is for BAMs. Trash you either get to do whatever you want because they are easy or you don't get to do much of anything other than block and shield counter because they attack too fast or there are too many.


Well that is one way to tank, many others including myself find it challenging i suppose because other than standard aggro/debuff rotation we throw combos in too. Iy really does make a difference because 1. You might possibly knockdown the bam resulting in more uptime for your team on said bam/boss. 2. You can wind up doing anywhere from 3-10% on the boss over the course of the fight, which can only help your team. I dont know I find it dynamic and exciting when i can be 4 shotted and im fitting in combo's split second in between my rotations. But I could just be alone on that lol.


Yea, I love it! :)

There's also some fun tricks to our class. The 6 second stun Shield Bash is a great opener and lets you get good upkeep like you said. But if you time your Shield Barrage for the last 1-2 seconds (Depends on attack speed % on your armor), you can artificially extend this by an extra 2 seconds by landing Shield Barrage's second hit as soon as the Shield Bash wears off. If you're lucky and get this stun, that's a minimum of 8 seconds of straight stun that you have to tactically play.

It's the little things like that which make our class amazing. :)
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Melona on 06/01/2012, 12:32 PM - view
Samyaza on 06/01/2012, 12:21 PM
I cannot wait until Warriors can tank, that's when Lancers will get long queues and may even get kicked for being the "incorrect" class. While I feel bad for the good Lancers, so far the bad ones (in PUGs) outnumber the good.


You people wonder why there are so many bad mannered lancers. YOU guys are doing this to yourselves. As one of the apparently few good lancers out there I'm tired of being a nice player for all you jerks here on the forums who just come here to bad mouth my class and say how much you want warriors to take over. Screw you guys.


sry but lancers being needed so much brought out the worst qualities in to many ppl

paybacks gonna be a [filtered].. the lancer tears will be delicious
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I hate lancers because they can't do the two very simple things they need to do, block and use agro skills.

Parties crumble when healer and DD are running avoiding the hoards of mobs the lancer decided to pull but fail to properly tank either by dying or losing agro for whatever pathetic excuse of a reason they decide to come up with.

So far I have no played a warrior or lancer yet and they are next in my classes to try because quite frankly I'm tired of seeing warriors having to switch to agro mode to pickup lancer slack for the best of the team. I want to see if its so hard to be a lancer that even being on my 'acceptable tank' level is so hard to be for these people. Because this isn't a case of not that good, this is a case of lancers being down right suck at their simple job.

I had already made a priest to see if it was hard to keep people healed and avoid taking agro, because I was tired of crappy healers too. Its not and I hate being a healer because its its so dull to me so I never play them. Though I have found ways to amuse myself as the class by doing other things when not healing like giving people mp or aiding in damage.

And as for your overworld party issue maybe you should have offered something useful to dps like gathering up massive amounts of mobs for them to mow down while keeping the agro on you to complisate for your lack of damage. You know... that thing your class was designed for?
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I tend to agree that lancer's setup is kind of a catch 22. The way that aggro drops in this game is pretty relevant.

Currently, in order to generate aggro you gotta spam taunt or continuously provide damage. Problem is that when u go into shield mode to mitigate damage you cannot provide any damage to sustain that constant threat you need - therefore you gotta constantly be fighting for aggro back and forth between dps.

I guess its a way that bluehole designed the aggro system with the lancer so its not easy mode, actaully have to time when to use your skills and can't turtle too much.
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Melona on 06/01/2012, 12:46 PM - view
Katosu on 06/01/2012, 12:40 PM
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I say it's a three button class because those three buttons are the only ones that actually matter or have any weight behind their actions. You can very VERY easily get by with just those three buttons. Anything else you throw in there is just fluff that doesn't actually contribute much. I don't even run with +threat crystals and I can easily maintain aggro with just shield counter and some taunts sprinkled in occasionally.

The three buttons are block, shield counter and debilitate by the way and this is for BAMs. Trash you either get to do whatever you want because they are easy or you don't get to do much of anything other than block and shield counter because they attack too fast or there are too many.


May god have mercy on my soul and never que a party with you in end game and your 3 buttons smash technique. You should re - roll another class if you find Lancer boring and use only 3 button in every run.
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Hey look this equals two threads where the lancer OP is a douchebag.
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I luv my lancer =D is he boring no not to me but learning how to play one properly is where the fun is. Dungeons up to lvl48 are a cake walk after that you gotta use more skill.

For all the new lancers out there check this advance lancer guide.

Contains spoilers inside:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W27-uBBMvk