Lancer bullying = Bannable offense?

Karnifexx Profile Options #201

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As a lancer I will share my experience. I enter a dungeon through LFD and this is what I see. DPS taking forever to get in the dungeon, and sometimes afk for a good 5 min before responding. That is, if the group hasn't already kicked them. I've even been in this position when the person afk was the leader.

Then I've been in groups where the dmg dealers have clearly the wrong crystals. MP generating crystals which is clearly not the way you should be playing at endgame content. If you are a dps you should be slotting CRIT crystals as well as Health Pool Crystals. I have even seen DMG dealers WITHOUT a single crystal. There excuse??? I didn't have time to get them. Because 40 min queue time isn't enough time??? Then you have those dmg dealers that dps the boss or monsters before I even aggro them. Then they have the nerve to complain about the aggro or their death? Really?

Then when it comes to dungeons like Balder's Temple. You get fresh 60s that are in quest gear that have never ran that dungeon before. They wonder why a tank would leave or kick them? Well it's simple really. No one wants to break crystals that cost 300-2500g because others didn't come prepared. If a group of new people that fresh go into a dungeon like that without crit charms, it will mean multiple wipes without ever downing the last boss. 3-4 hours of wasted time, a loss of gold, and a loss of a lot of crystals. I don't want to waste your time nor my time. After 3 pug runs I no longer run that dungeon from LFD. As a tank queueing solo, I will get solo pugs who have never done the dungeon. If you are a dps queueing you have a good shot at getting a guild that has their tank and healer with 2 dps. You'd be the filler. Which makes that dungeon possible in a pug. As a tank, you will not get this. It's the chance of probability.

Now you want to give us a BAN because we kick people who we know won't cut it for the last boss? If you come in with MP crystals, no consumables, with quest gear, please don't expect to be wanted. You need to put in effort, just like everyone else.

A dps can die, even a healer can die, but if the tank dies on a boss fight it's a wipe pretty much. I don't demand respect for how much more awareness I have to give. What I do require is people to have the appropriate crystals/knowledge before they go into dungeons like BT.

Then there's FoK. DPS need to watch videos on guides for these bosses. I was in a pug group yesterday the DPS were complaining about aggro, when they were dying to the last boss's spin attack. Which is clearly one of the boss's mechanics that needs to be dodged/blocked. Or his 180 degree attack. They continually died to this over and over and over again. The healer and I were clearly carrying this group. The healer literally rezzed for that boss fight about 25 times. This is just ridiculous. People shouldn't be accusing others if they are ignorant of how bad they are.

Here's the kicker, they all said they've done that dungeon multiple times. Which just made my jaw drop to the floor.

Because of experiences like this, lancers will choose their guild groups first. If they keep recieving these type of threads they will soon begin to just make a static group for dungeons. Then your queue of 2 hours will be 5 hours.

My suggestion for all you QQers is to find a lancer and be their friend. If you can't do that, then you got bigger problems.
Eliteseraph Profile Options #202

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The above lancer has a point, but only to a certain extent. Lancers like the one abovve need to understand that a PUG is a PUG. You can't get angry at the skill level of the average player in the LFD queue because the LFD queue doesn't filter by skill. In essence: you get what you pay for.

You chose to use the LFD, and got exactly what you should have: a random group.

But having said that I will agree with the OP that kicking someone simply because of their class, without waiting to check their skill or gear is something that shouldn't be common practice. Unfortunately there is no real good way for an automated system like the LFD to measure skill.

Ultimately it boils down to what I already stated: if you use the LFD you have to expect the lowest skill\geared players with the worst attitudes. If you don't want that, then form your group the old fashioned way. That's really all there is to it.
EvilBetox Profile Options #203

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I'm a lancer and i couldn't care less about others equipment or class, i'm just playing for fun and sometimes i think i'm the only one doing that lol

The only time i asked to kick someone is because the player joined the instance already afk and we waited like 20 min and no response from him, maybe he queued for the dungeon and got out to take a bath or lunch but we can't just wait forever, right?

But that just me i guess, you guys can play your own way so no offense.

Edited by: EvilBetox about 1 year ago
Arkellian08 Profile Options #204

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I as a Lancer agree to Ban all Lancers that do this to other players no matter the class.
Fluxi Profile Options #205

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Karni has a good point. But the flaw is in the LFD tool not the Pugging itself.

134 ilevel doesnt seem enough to do balder. But you can still queue for it when even a coordinated skilled premade has problems doing this instance with quest gear.

I can understand Tanks who refuse to tank for certain PUGs that dont have the nessesary equipment to finish the dungeon. Since you will lose more than you will gain in the end because the last boss drops the good stuff not the way to it.

BUT there is a big difference between "kick this or that player or i dont tank" and kicking players because of lacking equipment. You can say why you want to kick him or dont want to tank for a specific group.
scoobiedoobiedoo Profile Options #206

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Karnifexx on 05/19/2012, 01:45 PM - view
As a lancer I will share my experience. I enter a dungeon through LFD and this is what I see. DPS taking forever to get in the dungeon, and sometimes afk for a good 5 min before responding. That is, if the group hasn't already kicked them. I've even been in this position when the person afk was the leader.

Then I've been in groups where the dmg dealers have clearly the wrong crystals. MP generating crystals which is clearly not the way you should be playing at endgame content. If you are a dps you should be slotting CRIT crystals as well as Health Pool Crystals. I have even seen DMG dealers WITHOUT a single crystal. There excuse??? I didn't have time to get them. Because 40 min queue time isn't enough time??? Then you have those dmg dealers that dps the boss or monsters before I even aggro them. Then they have the nerve to complain about the aggro or their death? Really?

Then when it comes to dungeons like Balder's Temple. You get fresh 60s that are in quest gear that have never ran that dungeon before. They wonder why a tank would leave or kick them? Well it's simple really. No one wants to break crystals that cost 300-2500g because others didn't come prepared. If a group of new people that fresh go into a dungeon like that without crit charms, it will mean multiple wipes without ever downing the last boss. 3-4 hours of wasted time, a loss of gold, and a loss of a lot of crystals. I don't want to waste your time nor my time. After 3 pug runs I no longer run that dungeon from LFD. As a tank queueing solo, I will get solo pugs who have never done the dungeon. If you are a dps queueing you have a good shot at getting a guild that has their tank and healer with 2 dps. You'd be the filler. Which makes that dungeon possible in a pug. As a tank, you will not get this. It's the chance of probability.

Now you want to give us a BAN because we kick people who we know won't cut it for the last boss? If you come in with MP crystals, no consumables, with quest gear, please don't expect to be wanted. You need to put in effort, just like everyone else.

A dps can die, even a healer can die, but if the tank dies on a boss fight it's a wipe pretty much. I don't demand respect for how much more awareness I have to give. What I do require is people to have the appropriate crystals/knowledge before they go into dungeons like BT.

Then there's FoK. DPS need to watch videos on guides for these bosses. I was in a pug group yesterday the DPS were complaining about aggro, when they were dying to the last boss's spin attack. Which is clearly one of the boss's mechanics that needs to be dodged/blocked. Or his 180 degree attack. They continually died to this over and over and over again. The healer and I were clearly carrying this group. The healer literally rezzed for that boss fight about 25 times. This is just ridiculous. People shouldn't be accusing others if they are ignorant of how bad they are.

Here's the kicker, they all said they've done that dungeon multiple times. Which just made my jaw drop to the floor.

Because of experiences like this, lancers will choose their guild groups first. If they keep recieving these type of threads they will soon begin to just make a static group for dungeons. Then your queue of 2 hours will be 5 hours.

My suggestion for all you QQers is to find a lancer and be their friend. If you can't do that, then you got bigger problems.


Your entire response had to do with end game players in general. You say "dps" but because YOU are the tank, that is all you see. Tanks can, and are, also just as guilty for everything you made note of. So why, I ask, do the "Lancers" have more say over anyone else? Because they feel entitled. Your points are valid about the quality of players going into instances, but has nothing to do with the tank bullying conundrum.
ZekeMinus Profile Options #207

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@Karnifexx

I agree with the fact that, as a player who has experienced all 60 levels of TERA, one should have crystals in their slots and know how they should gear depending on what they're doing (for the most part). Also, as a fellow Lancer, I completely understand how it feels when you come up against those DPS that you just want to strangle. It's a pain, but explain it clearly and things usually work out, and if they get mad at you after the fact, replace them. DPS are all over the place.

I DO NOT agree with the idea that one should automatically know a fight, especially because TERA has just launched for NA/EU. That, paired with the fact that it's LFG and LFG also means PUG. There's going to be tons of new 60s for the next month or so, so instead of being abrasive, why not help your community?
Kurrig Profile Options #208

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Sorry to hear. I think its pretty crappy and that's coming from a Lancer. Personally I think everyone should just block the Lancer so he can't get groups anymore.

Don't worry, players like him get a bad rep anyways that will follow with them. For long the only groups he'll be getting are his own guild.
Khalith Profile Options #209

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As a lancer I will share my experience. I enter a dungeon through LFD and this is what I see. DPS taking forever to get in the dungeon, and sometimes afk for a good 5 min before responding. That is, if the group hasn't already kicked them. I've even been in this position when the person afk was the leader.


The queue is very long for dps, you can't be that surprised if someone has looked away after 2+ hours of being in queue.

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Then when it comes to dungeons like Balder's Temple. You get fresh 60s that are in quest gear that have never ran that dungeon before. They wonder why a tank would leave or kick them? Well it's simple really. No one wants to break crystals that cost 300-2500g because others didn't come prepared. If a group of new people that fresh go into a dungeon like that without crit charms, it will mean multiple wipes without ever downing the last boss. 3-4 hours of wasted time, a loss of gold, and a loss of a lot of crystals. I don't want to waste your time nor my time.


So how are they supposed to get gear for running the dungeon if you won't run the dungeon with them? That is utterly senseless. If you refuse to help anyone learn the dungeon then no one will learn the dungeon, you're only spiting yourself. You're essentially saying you only want to run dungeons with people that don't really need them anymore.

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Now you want to give us a BAN because we kick people who we know won't cut it for the last boss? If you come in with MP crystals, no consumables, with quest gear, please don't expect to be wanted. You need to put in effort, just like everyone else.


The OP was saying that he was kicked on the basis of the fact that he was a berserker and the Lancer refused to tank outright because he didn't want to share gear.

I sort of see where you're coming from about watching videos, but watching videos has never helped me learn fights, I learn fights by doing them, after one attempt I've got it memorized unless there is a phase we didn't get to.
IstarDoriem Profile Options #210

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ive read quite a few of the stories on here, and i cant say for endgame players as i am not there yet, but i am a lancer, and personaly im a little upset that lancers will do that. its not right, i mean its a game, were here to have fun. and putting out an image like that for tanks just aint cool. well hopefully ill get to end game soon and get to be a decent tank for some of you when i get there.

Not all us lancers are bad news :)