Quote: NylonAdmiral on 05/16/2012, 05:12 AM

I still don't see what's wrong with not inviting people so you don't have to have roll competition if you choose to do so. I don't tank so I don't find myself in that position. However, while it may not be nice there's nothing wrong with it.

Wait until it happens to you, then you'll feel different
No class should be ostracized, period.

Let's be reasonable here. It's not the class, and even to some degree not the player. It is the situation a single "effective-user friendly-reliable-accessible tank class in a game with 8 classes using the trinity.

I have not tanked past level 25 on this game, but I have tanked in other game's where tanks are a high commodity. This situation turns MOST NORMAL (not all) people from normal gentle souls into power mad douche waffles and I've found myself saying and doing things that fill me with shame in that situation.

Let me give you a run down of the mental process:

You are a tank, a caretaker in the group and a crucial figure. Most dungeons can be generally completed missing a DPS, buy missing a tank can be a showstopper.

You feel in a somewhat unrewarding position where you must keep beasties attention so that DPS can pew pew and wag their peens about how awesome they are, often with disregard as to aggro management, helping protect the healer or using any of their support abilities that might facilitate the encounter (such as CC) in favor of just pew pewing. It's the least pressure job of the trinity (at mist levels) and they make it even easier on themselves at your expense and the healers.

They can be bratty, quick to blame you or the healer.

In situations like that the tank is in a position where they REALLY don't have to put up with ANYONE's crap. They really don't. But that feeling of power can and does get overboard.

I can guarantee >80% of people complaining about tanks would be guilty of the same sins if put in the same position.

Best way to do this is:
A) make warrior tanks more player accessible
B) nerf warrior DPS capabilities while in tank mode - so no player becomes a "Paladin" tough to bring down while being able to dish out damage. Put their stances on 15 minute CDs or their Glyphs nerf one side or the other of their roles so as to only perform one at a time.
C) Once the general population of warrior tanks can actually reliably tank allow them to queue.

This should alleviate the supply/demand deficit present ATM which predisposes the turning of living law abiding citizens into duchaaffles.



One last thing: Demonizing Lancers is not helping your cause. Every Lancer that reads these forums will simply be encouraged to lash out even more. Let's stop the cycle of bad karma. Or else endure it when it comes to bite you back.

I can see it now once Warrior queue as tanks. The archers and slayers will be complaining that warrior tanks are vote kicking them out of the group.

Quote: unkycorona on 05/16/2012, 05:37 AM

I can see it now once Warrior queue as tanks. The archers and slayers will be complaining that warrior tanks are vote kicking them out of the group.

They need to impliment a karma system much like WoW did with their LFD tool.

Initiate too many kicks, you have to wait longer and longer to do it.

I also think that it shouldn't tell you who declined the kick.

Quote: Catatonic on 05/16/2012, 05:43 AM

Quote: unkycorona on 05/16/2012, 05:37 AM

I can see it now once Warrior queue as tanks. The archers and slayers will be complaining that warrior tanks are vote kicking them out of the group.

They need to impliment a karma system much like WoW did with their LFD tool.

Initiate too many kicks, you have to wait longer and longer to do it.

I also think that it shouldn't tell you who declined the kick.

The Karma system led to an undesireable level of douchbaggery, though: the offending players would just sit in the dungeon and do nothing. They would force others to try to kick them, or troll, or pull trash and pop out.