En Masse allows lancers to grief so we can't fix that.

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En Masse could however fix it by taking off the 2hour premade lockout.

Adding a kick system to the game where if you kick a player you are move to the top of the que for the thing you kicked. In addition players could be kicked for a drop down list of reasons that would add different punishments. For example if any class gets kicked for grieving a party 3-5 times that person can no longer use the dungeon finder for x days.

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Players can fix this by running with a compitent warrior and kick lancers on the last boss of FoK (which is what i do)

Players can block bad tanks by blocking them for chat (GM told me so who knows if that's real since they don't know the 2hour lockout for premades is real.)

Players can post bad tank's names on forum so others know not to group with them.
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The problem with player solutions is only 1 fixes the lancer grief without adding que time to dps and heals.

To you lancers that don't act like jerks I hope that you have nothing but awesome groups and karma repays you in the best of ways. You just need to understand you are the smallest minority at this point.

Thanks for the compliment.

But then again, I think the major reason why jerk lancers are the majority is because the decent lancers who are not SOB's are not using the IMS. Lancers who use the IMS are mostly interested into farming dungeons non-stop, not having a good time or have fun with cool people.

I can say that based on myself.

I can certainly understand that, you guys need to do charity runs though lol it's a nightmare to try and gear our fresh 60s when our lancers aren't on T_T

Agreed I've only used the IMS twice and that was after recruiting 1-2 people on my server and not finding anyone else. Last resort.

Adding a kick system to the game where if you kick a player you are move to the top of the que for the thing you kicked. In addition players could be kicked for a drop down list of reasons that would add different punishments. For example if any class gets kicked for grieving a party 3-5 times that person can no longer use the dungeon finder for x days.

- This makes no sense. Lancers are the ones DOING the kicking 90% of the time. This wouldn't punish them.

Players can post bad tank's names on forum so others know not to group with them.

- No, they can't. Calling out a player by name gets an instant thread lock.

and you can't block people cross server. Just a FYI.


You want to not get f-tard lancers. RUN WITH PEOPLE YOU KNOW.

Why do people need "parents" to fix something they could fix/alleviate by themselves?

If you find lancers are bad, find players who are good lancers and become their friends.

IME there are *plenty* of them out there. Whenever I turn the corner there are 3-4 lancers around. When I do questing I usually run into 1-2 soloing.

As for charity runs, I usually IMS at least once a day to move the queue along. Sometimes I see people shouting in LFG and invite them to queue with me to hurry things up.

The kick would have to be open to all players not just the leader, this would fix the problem. There also needs to be more option than just 15min debuff. I can understand why people are afk in que since the que times can be hours depending on whats going on. The drop down would give more options than just general debuff for general kick.

Quote: Logicfails on 06/15/2012, 12:11 PM - view

lol, had to pay a 60 last night to finish up some bams that i didn't feel like solo'ing and couldn't find any groups for because they were further down in a chain. Better talk to dps about charity first before worrying about lancers ;)

Quote: Logicfails on 06/15/2012, 12:02 PM - view

This is the only thing that I think you can't do.

Buuut.. I think I'm one of those nice lancers. And I am quite shocked at how many people are simply.. afraid to say 'I'm new to this' (In FoK/the other one). Its like they keep having bad luck, and get into parties that just kick them flat out. I've taught many people dungeons, just the same way I was tught when I just got 60. Sure, sometimes I do need to remove people for the robot guy, since they are holding the team back, but I always give it a shot - at least to show people the fight/fights.

I've even had horrible parties that wipe on easy bosses, and I keep trucking along, soloing the boss. (Red kuma, the first boss in FoK, as my examples. :p)

lol i'f your on dragonfall i'll do all your bam quests for you if you toss a few tank runs out there xD