Lancers can queue as dps, and get a buff for doing so.

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Increase power by 70%
Increase crit rate by 100
Increase damage from skills by 50%
decrease agro gained by 50%
Increase movement speen by 30

Make it happen EmE.

Gradually decrease it as you make some real changes.
Edited by: ReiKoji 11 months ago
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I feast on lancer tears, we needed more tanks not dps silly Lancer.
Edited by: Slubber 11 months ago
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Slubber on 06/29/2012, 01:28 AM - view
I feast on lancer tears, we needed more tanks not dps silly Lancer.


We would have had more tanks if they added warrior to queue, adding any buff like this just gives said player a reason to suck.
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ReiKoji on 06/29/2012, 01:37 AM - view
Slubber on 06/29/2012, 01:28 AM
I feast on lancer tears, we needed more tanks not dps silly Lancer.


We would have had more tanks if they added warrior to queue, adding any buff like this just gives said player a reason to suck.


A 138 warrior can not walk into FoK and tank it, it's almost impossible, and even if they managed to get through it the whole dungeon would be chaotic with lots of kiting and bosses moving all over the place.

A 138 lancer can walk in there without knowing the bosses and manage to do just fine, they are better equipped for it.

The way I see it this was basically the only way for EME to integrate warrior tanking prior to them getting block without causing an entirely new problem..

"Every warrior tank dies and moves the mob everywhere and just sucks, remove them from LFD as it wastes more time than sitting in queue would".
Edited by: Slubber 11 months ago
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Slubber on 06/29/2012, 01:41 AM - view
ReiKoji on 06/29/2012, 01:37 AM
Slubber on 06/29/2012, 01:28 AM
I feast on lancer tears, we needed more tanks not dps silly Lancer.


We would have had more tanks if they added warrior to queue, adding any buff like this just gives said player a reason to suck.


A 138 warrior can not walk into FoK and tank it, it's almost impossible, and even if they managed to get through it the whole dungeon would be chaotic with lots of kiting and bosses moving all over the place.

A 138 lancer can walk in there without knowing the bosses and manage to do just fine, they are better equipped for it.

The way I see it this was basically the only way for EME to integrate warrior tanking prior to them getting block without causing an entirely new problem..

"Every warrior tank dies and moves the mob everywhere and just sucks, remove them from LFD as it wastes more time than sitting in queue would".


Tell that to the people that did it already, there are a few handled by 5star+ players that did it. Just because 95% of warriors are garbage, they give them a buff. Its fail. There are fails in every class in the game, why not buff them too?
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Rei you simply don't get it do you, the warriors tanking currently have practiced quite a lot to be able to tank the content and they run with pre-made groups, they will not be using LFD, the people using LFD will be warriors unfamiliar to tanking and the result would be horrible.

It's not that we're garbage either, it's just that tanking isn't all that simple as a warrior, you can't get hit, oh and you can't sit there and block either. If you don't know the mechanics of the mobs you can't hold down block more often to be cautious, you just pre-maturely dodge and then leave yourself vulnerable to be hit.

Like EME stated, they will gradually weaken the buff and then eventually remove it once we get block, that seems like a fair thing to do to get people who've never tanked as a warrior accustomed to it.
Edited by: Slubber 11 months ago
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+1 a dps lancer, sometimes i dont feel like tanking and want the easy job of dpsing while also having the ability to block when needed.

@slubber warriors are one of the most used classes while lancers are pretty much the least used so the way i see it we have more then enough tanks now (whether they are good or bad we will find out tommorrow) it may look easy being a lancer but unless you have been one you really dont know what we go through to hold aggro and keep everyone alive, it may look like we are simply holding block alot but when it gets down to it we are doing multiple things including keeping a debuff up and increasing aggro with different skills. if a lancer sits there and blocks the whole time sure the lancer would be safe but everyone else would die.

you may think its alot harder being a warrior then a lancer, well they are hence why they are a 5 star difficulty, meaning not every noob is going to use one effectivly and only the people who know what they are doing will be able to take the end game dungeons as the main tank. now however eme should just go back and mark warriors as a 1 star.
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Rajion on 06/29/2012, 02:23 AM - view
+1 a dps lancer, sometimes i dont feel like tanking and want the easy job of dpsing while also having the ability to block when needed.



Normal mode sure, HM dps'ing is a whole different story lol, while it's not overly difficult it's definitely not easy and even the tank in my party seems to agree it's easier to tank than be a melee dps on HMs.

I also know lancers have some aggro difficulties, i've never said it was easy to be a good lancer but i'm saying it's easy to be an okay lancer, and an okay lancer is all you need for normal mode FoK and BT, an okay warrior though will not cut it without the buffs(especially if they don't know attack patterns very well), they will die, many, many times, in particular to the lancer boss, Kaprima, Green Kumas, etc.

However I do agree, once warriors get block, heck even now(as of 29th of June), warrior difficulty should be changed as it is no longer difficult.
Edited by: Slubber 11 months ago
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All the rage of a tempt warrior buff... It is not like lancers will ever be in the same party as a buff received warrior... why the rage.. ;/

Take it away and who are you harming? The warrior? Hell, the warrior will likely be prepared to pay its due learning to tank properly... what you are hurting is the other 4 random people who happened to join a warrior tank group. I am prepared to die a few time to learn my timing, are they?

Do lancer want to hold that monopoly/power this much rather than for the general population to have an easier time to advance and enjoy the game?

Regarding the top warriors... yes, they are good and I am sure many of the fail warrior do aspire to be as good, but for those utilizing the instance group, what is in this for the rest of the people ? They will not have an interest in sticking with the warrior through a few wipe as a server group may... they can't add them to friends and call upon them later... This buffer before the skill allow warriors to become familiar with being in the tank role without jeopardizing the other 4 players unnecessarily. Is it so bad? What is it to you lancer anyway?

And let's not forget... not all lancers are 5 star, 3 star or even 2 star player... We suffered through bad lancers, wipes etc just because the alternative is another 2 hour queue and these lancers are given a chance to face these bosses and learn at our expense and fortunately, their basic tools are simple enough that even an idiot lancer (which there are a lot) can get through a dungeon especially when the rest of the group is competent... this won't be the same for a group stuck with a warrior tank... this tempt buff is for them, not the warrior. Let's not pretend every warrior dps/etc etc is fail and lancers are the creame of the crop...
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wasabi5858 on 06/29/2012, 02:43 AM - view
All the rage of a tempt warrior buff... It is not like lancers will ever be in the same party as a buff received warrior... why the rage.. ;/

Take it away and who are you harming? The warrior? Hell, the warrior will likely be prepared to pay its due learning to tank properly... what you are hurting is the other 4 random people who happened to join a warrior tank group. I am prepared to die a few time to learn my timing, are they?

Do lancer want to hold that monopoly/power this much rather than for the general population to have an easier time to advance and enjoy the game?

Regarding the top warriors... yes, they are good and I am sure many of the fail warrior do aspire to be as good, but for those utilizing the instance group, what is in this for the rest of the people ? They will not have an interest in sticking with the warrior through a few wipe as a server group may... they can't add them to friends and call upon them later... This buffer before the skill allow warriors to become familiar with being in the tank role without jeopardizing the other 4 players unnecessarily. Is it so bad? What is it to you lancer anyway?

And let's not forget... not all lancers are 5 star, 3 star or even 2 star player... We suffered through bad lancers, wipes etc just because the alternative is another 2 hour queue and these lancers are given a chance to face these bosses and learn at our expense and fortunately, their basic tools are simple enough that even an idiot lancer (which there are a lot) can get through a dungeon especially when the rest of the group is competent... this won't be the same for a group stuck with a warrior tank... this tempt buff is for them, not the warrior. Let's not pretend every warrior dps/etc etc is fail and lancers are the creame of the crop...


As a Lancer, I have to agree with most of this post.