Like many people, OBT is make it or break it

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http://www.gamenote.com/rank_ongame/

Here's a game ranking site that's popularly cited. It lists Tera (테라) as being presently 9th overall, and currently 5th most popular in the MMORPG category.

Another one I found that lists metrics: http://www.gametrics.com/rank/Rank02.aspx

They currently list Tera as 9th overall and 4th in MMORPG.

From the looks of things these metrics are based off game usage in internet cafe's, which are (still) one of the top ways people get connected to online games in South Korea.
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alucadra on 04/10/2012, 03:08 AM - view
http://www.gamenote.com/rank_ongame/

Here's a game ranking site that's popularly cited. It lists Tera (테라) as being presently 9th overall, and currently 5th most popular in the MMORPG category.

Another one I found that lists metrics: http://www.gametrics.com/rank/Rank02.aspx

They currently list Tera as 9th overall and 4th in MMORPG.

From the looks of things these metrics are based off game usage in internet cafe's, which are (still) one of the top ways people get connected to online games in South Korea.


First link lists Tera as 4th in the MMO category, not 5th... which is in line with what I posted. It has stayed at 2-4 spots consistently. Why you even bring up its overall ranking I'm not sure of, comparing a MMO to a FPS / RTS / MOBA is irrelevant.

Edit: Tera is also listed as 3rd among MMOs, rather than 4th on the second site you linked.
Edited by: KonpakuYoumu about 1 year ago
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Indrus on 04/10/2012, 01:01 AM - view
I'd rather have a smaller, dedicated community than a massive community of whingers.

If you play an OBT and decide to not play the game for a stupid reason: good riddance to you. The majority of the players don't want you around anyway.


I don't think he had ever expressed a reason, or said anything that warranted this response. This game might not be some people's cup of tea, and they don't want to buy it. Is that stupid? I'm in the same boat as OP. After dropping money on AoC, Rift, Vanguard (I blame friends for convincing me that was gonna be good), and SWToR, I too am hesitant to buy any new MMO that comes out after being burned before I really enjoyed the game during CBT5 but the open beta is going to be when I determine to buy or not, as I am also keeping my eye on GW2 and if that turns out to not float my boat, D3 is going to rock and comes out mid may.
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NightScream on 04/10/2012, 03:12 AM
alucadra on 04/10/2012, 03:08 AM
http://www.gamenote.com/rank_ongame/

Here's a game ranking site that's popularly cited. It lists Tera (테라) as being presently 9th overall, and currently 5th most popular in the MMORPG category.

Another one I found that lists metrics: http://www.gametrics.com/rank/Rank02.aspx

They currently list Tera as 9th overall and 4th in MMORPG.

From the looks of things these metrics are based off game usage in internet cafe's, which are (still) one of the top ways people get connected to online games in South Korea.


First link lists Tera as 4th in the MMO category, not 5th... which is in line with what I posted. It has stayed at 2-4 spots consistently. Why you even bring up its overall ranking I'm not sure of, comparing a MMO to a FPS / RTS / MOBA is irrelevant.

Edit: Tera is also listed as 3rd among MMOs, rather than 4th on the second site you linked.


If you scrolled to when it released it was indeed #1 for a few weeks then dropped down to 6, bounced back and fourth between 4th-5th, then went up to 2nd for a bit and repeated that for a while before balancing out around 4th-5th a year later. My point was to show you real data supporting my original post how the first 3 months will dictate the next few years of your lifespan as an MMO. I guess it really doesnt matter though.
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And you think being 9th on a list of played MMOs is bad? Darn this WoW mentality, really.


Here's the deal: MMOs are profitable, that's why you see so many come out all the time. Have you realized that all these MMOs don't have 10 million players? Many won't even reach the 100k.

Ofcourse, when they reach low numbers they tend to switch to an F2P plan because it gives them more revenue, but many other games have done perfectly fine on a subscription model and low player base.

Surely you don't think EVE has as many players as WoW. What about FFXI? It's been going with a small player base for 10 years now, still P2P.

I honestly couldn't care if we have 100k or 100M players, I'll be playing with the peopel in my server and only those. As long as the game keeps giving me content till the moment I'm bored with it, all is fine.

And if I had to choose, I'd be better off without the amount of idiots we see in these forums anyway.
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Mushimushi on 04/10/2012, 04:27 AM - view
And you think being 9th on a list of played MMOs is bad? Darn this WoW mentality, really.


Here's the deal: MMOs are profitable, that's why you see so many come out all the time. Have you realized that all these MMOs don't have 10 million players? Many won't even reach the 100k.

Ofcourse, when they reach low numbers they tend to switch to an F2P plan because it gives them more revenue, but many other games have done perfectly fine on a subscription model and low player base.

Surely you don't think EVE has as many players as WoW. What about FFXI? It's been going with a small player base for 10 years now, still P2P.

I honestly couldn't care if we have 100k or 100M players, I'll be playing with the peopel in my server and only those. As long as the game keeps giving me content till the moment I'm bored with it, all is fine.

And if I had to choose, I'd be better off without the amount of idiots we see in these forums anyway.


When did I say that was bad? Actually I play Eve and I know very well theres only something like 250-300k subs globally. Comparing this to Eve though, and how its survived for as long as i has, is wrong. CCP makes bank on their PLEX system, while its true TERA has basically the same thing the rate at which ISK is used and made versus gold in TERA is astronomically different. Really im afraid this will turn into another Rift, which had a very strong presence early in its first few months then basically fell off the map and alot of servers ended up merging because of it. Thats what I was proving with my previous posts, that the first few months are soooo much more important than people think.
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I just think it's a shame that so many idiots forget what Wow was like when it released in 2004. It was shocking. Appaullingly bad. Everybody stuck with it because there were no real alternatives at the time.

People also forget the phenomenal amount of wealth Blizzard had before they released World of Warcraft. They didn't need the game to save them, it wasn't make or break for them, they already had enough money to buy each of their Executives a private Island in the Sun, so they had enough money to throw at advertising, development, etc etc.

New MMOs come out - unpolished, it's what they do. They sink because people are too impatient to wait for the game to develop and they just cancel subscrip and go back to Warcraft or whatever they played before.

I'm guilty of it, too. I bought WAR and left before giving it a chance to develop. I did the same with SWTOR and Rift; I spent less than 1 day playing SWTOR and Rift before deciding they were terrible and leaving, because they had glaring, gaping issues.

I for one don't feel Tera has any huge problems. Sure, there's rough edges which need polishing, but one of the most reassuring aspects of this is that En Masse are LISTENING to us. They're making changes, before the game's even released, based on what the community is feeling and saying. I've lapped up every minute of my playtime so far and haven't got anything but a burning desire for more. I'm hopeful a lot of people are feeling the same way, because I do not want this game to flop after launch and die.
Edited by: Crosbie about 1 year ago
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That's exactly the point. You are considering Rift a failure, and yet the game's still going. Recently had its first anniversary. I have no idea what actual subscriber population rift has, but it's probably insignificant compared to WoW.

And again I bring FFXI, an obviously outdated game, which never really broke the 500k subscribers limit and probably has about 200k subs at this point... world wide.

TERA probably has this amount in just its Korean population. Then add in the (likely small) JP population, the EU and US population and finaly the newly announced Taiwanese release...

So what if subscribers go from 2M on release to 200k later? Why should we care? The company still makes money and if they want to, they can perfecly produce content for the game to keep their subscriber base.

The problem comes when the company decides their project is no longer important and the funding recieved by the game is routed into new games from the same company in detriment of development for this game. This happened to Aion and all NCSoft games, this happened to FFXI before FFXIV was released.

You shouldn't be bothered by the amount of people that play, instead you should worry about what the company does with its product if it becomes niche.

In other words and tl;dr version:

If a game "flops", it can do two things:

- Go the FFXIV way and keep supporting it with a small loyal base of players.
- Go the Aion way and suck the blood from the player base before they realize the developer has left the game to die.

Is BHS a new SquareEnix or a new NCSoft? Who knows, but we'll see.
Edited by: Mushimushi about 1 year ago
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My main concern right now is what will BHS do with Tera if KTera and JTera flop but USTera takes off. EME doesn't own the source code or assets and may not have the infrastructure to manage the whole operation on its own if BHS, for example, leases the source for royalties.


Fyi, monthly subs just after release of KTera was 170,000.
http://news.mmosite.com/content/2011-03-07/korean_media_it_s_still_too_early_to_say_tera_is_successful,1.shtml

JTera not doing well because it is a whopping $33 per month for subs. Learned from this that the level cap is 70 there, which if it isn't a typo, means we are WAY behind.
http://www.jappleng.com/entertainment/articles/reviews/15/tera-online-review

If I EVER see this in a US mmo, you won't catch me there...
http://www.jappleng.com/application/assets/Media/Entertainment/images/tera-online/tera-online-queue-quest-questing.jpg
Edited by: Maarg about 1 year ago
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Having a passionate community and dedicated support team at EME - this game will do just fine.

Less forum reading = less conjecture = more time spent in game having fun.

All you need to do is exercise a light bit of patience with battlegrounds and have faith that EME will work with BHS to keep the content flowing and fun the going.

I love this damn game.