I love how nobody ever addresses any of the legitimate points I make. Real cool stuff guys. You just sidestep my rebuttals and pretend as if I haven't said anything.
There's more that factors into DPS than just raw stats. You have to factor in the glyphs they're using, crystals, enigmatic stats and accessories. The Lancers didn't have to worry about holding aggro because well...they're all Lancers.
Serosen on 06/06/2012, 12:02 PM
I'm gonna need everyone to stop mistaking Healing and Tanking as support roles. They are not support roles. Support roles are those that include primarily debuffing, buffing, off tanking, crowd control, or anything that is not the Trinity.
I'm gonna need everyone to stop mistaking Healing and Tanking as support roles. They are not support roles. Support roles are those that include primarily debuffing, buffing, off tanking, crowd control, or anything that is not the Trinity.
Tanking and healing are support roles. They support the group. That is their job.
Definition of SUPPORT
transitive verb
5
: to keep from fainting, yielding, or losing courage : comfort
6
: to keep (something) going
The tank and healer are there to ensure that the damage dealers are safe and able to continue killing the boss. They are support classes.
I love how people theorycraft damage comparisons between lancers and warriors when all they'd need to do is go play both classes for a little while to see the difference.
Anybody trying to make the argument that lancer DPS is anywhere close to a warrior's, from the front or behind, with our without a crystal or stance, needs to be put in a padded room for their own safety.
I love how people theorycraft damage comparisons between lancers and warriors when all they'd need to do is go play both classes for a little while to see the difference.
Anybody trying to make the argument that lancer DPS is anywhere close to a warrior's, from the front or behind, with our without a crystal or stance, needs to be put in a padded room for their own safety.
LOL let these lancers live in their dreamland where they can have more DPS than a warrior.
You do understand that skills are a huge factor in how much damage a class deals, right?
The highest damaging Lancer skills output damage equivalent to using their basic "left click" attack with the follow-up skill. You're delusional if you think that Warrior damage is as pathetic as Lancer damage.
Also, I'm seriously laughing at how you think damage crystals help Lancer in the slightest. Every single skill that a Lancer has is segmented into smaller blows. Damage crystals do barely anything to support them since they're % based.
Okay. Damage crystals are a modifier. A flat one. It doesn't matter whether you do many smaller attacks or a small number of large attacks. If you make the assumption that two classes do the same DPS but in different ways, and have the same crit rate, the crystals give them the same exact benefit. Go look at the theorycraft page if this isn't intuitive enough. Many small attacks give you the opportunity for many smaller crits. All that matters for the effectiveness of crit multiplier crystals, is the crit rate you operate under, and your base DPS. So that's one point down.
Now, lancers have a lower crit rate than warriors, due to the stance. Understandable. I have no idea what the BASE crit rate is. I'm not that knowledgeable about other classes.
And you aren't posting base damage numbers as Naoto asked. So he can turn around and accuse you of ignoring him too.
The reason the lancers did so well in the video I posted is because they did an excellent job holding the boss in place, as it was explained to me. They don't have to back off, or dodge, or anything. They hardly had to chase. They can basically just sit on the boss, spam their attacks, and occasionally the tank blocks. And of course, they didn't need a healer, so they had a fourth damage slot. They just used some pots. This got them through the encounter just fine, because they only blocked when they needed to. The base mitigation and their balance was good enough.
is not even worth the time trying to explain this morons that lancers cannot or will not ever outdamage a warrior or will be the same DPS, not even close
Zeruel you obviously lack basic math skills if you can't see why a percentage based multiplier heavily favors large, singular blows over multiple smaller blows.
I love how people theorycraft damage comparisons between lancers and warriors when all they'd need to do is go play both classes for a little while to see the difference.
Anybody trying to make the argument that lancer DPS is anywhere close to a warrior's, from the front or behind, with our without a crystal or stance, needs to be put in a padded room for their own safety.
LOL let these lancers live in their dreamland where they can have more DPS than a warrior.