No Penalty for PKing?

ROBOKITTYZILLA Profile Options #31

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I think some sanctions, goals, risks, and/or rewards need to be implemented for PVP. It seems really pointless and susceptible to devolving into something terrible.

I know there are a lot of people that like the current FFA OWPVP system, so maybe EME could setup some servers that are just straight up FFA PVP with no rules or restrictions what-so-ever (ditch outlaw, safe zones, etc. and let the community police itself). This is what it seems like PVP players are screaming for when anyone tries to post any kind of constructive PVP feedback.
omocho Profile Options #32

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ROBOKITTYZILLA on 2012-02-27 22:07:42 UTC - view
I think some sanctions, goals, risks, and/or rewards need to be implemented for PVP. It seems really pointless and susceptible to devolving into something terrible.

I know there are a lot of people that like the current FFA OWPVP system, so maybe EME could setup some servers that are just straight up FFA PVP with no rules or restrictions what-so-ever (ditch outlaw, safe zones, etc. and let the community police itself). This is what it seems like PVP players are screaming for when anyone tries to post any kind of constructive PVP feedback.


Sanctions: Agreed. Lowbie killing is ridiculous and pointless and should really have negative effects for doing.
Goals: The goal is to kill the person. There are plenty of REASONS to kill someone too, KSing, camping, being a douche, etc.
Risks: No need. You're risking your life just by playing on a PvP server
Rewards: There are PvP rewards, they're called battlegrounds. OWPVP doesn't need rewards otherwise PvP would be unbearable. Everyone would PvP with every person they encountered to try and gain these rewards. it'd be a mess and you'd be forced to travel in groups to do anything. Right now, it makes way more sense with PvP just being fun.
HTakara82 Profile Options #33

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There's too many problems with having the community "police" themselves. It's human nature... I have a low opinion of people in general until I get to know them. But it's a safe bet that people are destructive by nature. Without some kind of higher power putting law into place, people will destroy themselves and everything around them. It's why vigilante actions is illegal in most civilized countries in the world.

Granted no government is perfect cause human nature tends to kick in. But, law exist to keep them in check. Like in real life, you follow the rules nothing bad happens to you, break the rules and you pay the price.

We need a checks and balance system, rules that are created by the community simply cannot be truly enforced. If the game creators themselves implement the rules into the game, well it's enforced automatically.

You want to run around killing people half your level? great, feel free to. But there needs to be a price to pay to keep it in check. A "Checks and Balance" system needs to be implemented to avoid unwanted chaos.

Technomancer Profile Options #34

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Monkjoey on 2012-02-27 16:11:32 UTC - view

This is when they need to do it so they can perfect it, grieving is already bad as is with a low percentage of people imagine open beta or release. They need to do it while they can test it, not when they have more things to do.

Griefing = playing to make people mad.
Grieving = mourning.
Edited by: Technomancer over 1 year ago
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HTakara82 on 2012-02-27 22:18:23 UTC - view
There's too many problems with having the community "police" themselves. It's human nature... I have a low opinion of people in general until I get to know them. But it's a safe bet that people are destructive by nature. Without some kind of higher power putting law into place, people will destroy themselves and everything around them. It's why vigilante actions is illegal in most civilized countries in the world.

Granted no government is perfect cause human nature tends to kick in. But, law exist to keep them in check. Like in real life, you follow the rules nothing bad happens to you, break the rules and you pay the price.

We need a checks and balance system, rules that are created by the community simply cannot be truly enforced. If the game creators themselves implement the rules into the game, well it's enforced automatically.

You want to run around killing people half your level? great, feel free to. But there needs to be a price to pay to keep it in check. A "Checks and Balance" system needs to be implemented to avoid unwanted chaos.



Watch, some griefer is going to tell you what a horrible idea this is.
Tassy Profile Options #36

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There will be no penalty's you can be sure of that. This is a modern MMO being redone for western audiences. They wont tolerate any consequences for your actions today. Wow showed that the young an rude will never tolerate having to think. it must be all given free fast an easy....

Sad but the days of the true MMO are long gone. Dont get me wrong I like tera, but today's player base only know two thing's, shinys an zero consequence.
HTakara82 Profile Options #37

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Tassy on 2012-02-27 22:37:05 UTC - view
There will be no penalty's you can be sure of that. This is a modern MMO being redone for western audiences. They wont tolerate any consequences for your actions today. Wow showed that the young an rude will never tolerate having to think. it must be all given free fast an easy....

Sad but the days of the true MMO are long gone. Dont get me wrong I like tera, but today's player base only know two thing's, shinys an zero consequence.


As much as this sucks, it'll most likely be the case. Although I'm quite curious as to what the "penalty" is when the skill description for outlaw said that there's a penalty for killing another player.
Fatwa Profile Options #38

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ChinaCat on 2012-02-27 16:26:12 UTC - view

That is my understanding as well.

ENME should clarify officially so players stop speculating and spinning their wheels.

-CC


They have clarified.

You should browse the posts of EME employees before assuming they haven't posted anything, especially if you're keen on discussing PvP matters in General Discussion.

No, don't worry, I'll grab it for you this time because you'll likely spout off some nonsense about not caring enough to find the information yourself, despite your cries for clarification.

Chager on 2012-02-11 23:24:29 UTC
Right now there are no repercussions for kill or killing. We want to try out PvP in the next CBT and see what people think about the system.

Personally I think there should be some risk/reward vs. having a straight gankfest but I tend to be a bit more strategic in thought. Play in the next CBT and give us your thoughts!

-Chager

HTakara82 Profile Options #39

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Woo, thanks for finding that Fatwa. I'm glad that one of the devs, or whoever he is, feels the same way. The Risk vs Rewards ideology is always great to help keep things balanced. Straight out gankfests without risks is ridiculous and frustrating to those who can't do anything about it.
salty21db Profile Options #40

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You know I've pvp'ed for a very long time in a lot of games.

I'm not sure why there can't be a level attack restrictions such as EQ2 where you can only attack 4 levels above or 4 levels below or such and everyone is outlaw all the time.

People are coming on here saying griefing is part of PvP lol. Where do you get off saying that? I'm pretty certain we all play games to have fun and kill time correct? Is it fun for anyone when you have a person 10+ higher levels than you just camping the leveling area because well...it strokes his ego to do so?

To me the most that say it's "ok" are the ones most likely doing it. I have no problem with open PvP where a person a few levels ahead of me tries to gank me while I'm killing a quest mob or doing an escort. I have a problem with a person attempting to gank me that knows he can 1-2 shot me and is just doing it because it makes him feel better about himself.

Point is we're here to have fun...challenge ourselves...and to ultimately waste time. How does ganking someone who you know is going to only take 1-2 hits do any of those? If you say doing it is fun...you have other issues lol..mentally.
Edited by: salty21db over 1 year ago