Only EME actioning griefing will stop lancers from abusing their scarcity

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Period.

End of statement.

You personally as a player cannot and will not modify abusive player behavior when it comes from a class/role that holds all the cards.


Blacklist/Ignore? More for the "Rest of everyone who didn't blacklist/ignore" them.
Shame? If they cared what you thought they wouldn't be doing this to begin with.
Harass them/their guild? See shaming.


Only GMs and EME are in a position to actually address the situation. Until they make a commitment to publicly outline the areas of the ToS/EULA that a player is violating by kicking people from the group arbitrarily or queuing/dropping when things don't go their way or the group refuses to remove an undergeared player or an undesirable class and then actually take steps to monitor and react aggressively to this behavior, nothing will change.


And even then it's very unlikely that anything will change.

Lancers will a) quit b) stop queuing c) make their own groups d) run with guild e) lie about the reasons in a way that makes it non-ToS/EULA violating.


Does it suck? Yes. Can you do anything about it?

Yes.

Roll a lancer. And not be a douchebag.



You really have to think this one out past the kneejerk reaction of "This sucks" and "EME better do something about it"



Lancers = Pretty girls.


Just because she agreed to a blind date doesn't mean she has to actually go on the date if she doesn't like who she ended up with. Or something like that.


I mean really. Pretend EME actually decides that this is actionable behavior, all the douches will find ways to avoid dealing with the policy through the above outlined alternatives.


And maybe that will be sufficient. Maybe your queue time will double in length, but hey, no more lancers kicking you randomly or throwing tempertantrums/dropping group.


Maybe that will be enough.



But nothing you can do as a player will change anything. The ball is in the company's hands to administrate properly.


And to-date I've yet to (granted I don't read -everything- on the forums) see them address this in any comprehensive manner that would imply to me that they're going to take the necessary steps or action to fix this.



Things they could do to make lancers not want to kick people:

Address class imbalances so there's no incentive to kick based on perceived DPS disparities.

Adjust the item level requirements to enter dungeons so that at the appropriate gear level things are not so difficult that someone would have a motive to kick undergeared players.

Create tank and healer and DPS stat segregation so that lancer gear is lancer only, dps gear is dps only, healer gear is healer only. (Not optimal imo but there would be no incentive to kick a zerker because they can't wear eachother's gear anymore)



Things they could do to address and hopefully modify the undesirable behavior despite the consequences outlined above:

Warnings
Suspensions
Bans

Which really doesn't do anything to resolve the underlying issues: That there's a motive for tanks to behave like this in the first place.



Regardless, either way, the ball is in the administrations court to make some kind of public statement and take steps to address the issue, players are powerless to change anything in this situation.
Edited by: Pinupgirl 12 months ago - Reason: Clarity on who I am describing when I say "you".
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Why don't we all just STFU and make a blacklist with proof(ScnShot) of them abusing so we know who not to group with.

Lancer are not jerks.
The people who are using them is.
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TheHaremKing on 05/18/2012, 04:00 PM - view
Why don't we all just STFU and make a blacklist with proof(ScnShot) of them abusing so we know who not to group with.

Lancer are not jerks.
The people who are using them is.
SeraElf Profile Options #4

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There is no way to enforce what are "warranted kicks" vs. one that aren't. That is a crazy undertaking to even attempt it. It's just not realistic.

Yes, this is in EME/BHE's hands, but it's not to correct the social behavior - it's to tweak the system so that kicks are not productive in the Lancer's favor. There's been quite a few ideas floating around in threads on how to do this - limitations and restrictions on when they can kick, how often, and repercussions should they choose to kick someone within a certain timeframe.
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you cannot tell us who we play with, the second EME forces me to group with someone i dont want to group with is the last hour i will EVER spend in TERA.
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From what ive seen, mods dont take too kindly in posting players names in such ways...
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SashimiX on 05/18/2012, 04:04 PM - view
you cannot tell us who we play with, the second EME forces me to group with someone i dont want to group with is the last hour i will EVER spend in TERA.


Which means YOU should be required to leave the party. Not them.
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TheHaremKing on 05/18/2012, 04:00 PM - view
Why don't we all just STFU and make a blacklist with proof(ScnShot) of them abusing so we know who not to group with.

Lancer are not jerks.
The people who are using them is.



When I say "Only proper running shoes can prevent people from getting running related injuries" I am not implying that ALL people are out there getting running related injuries.

I'm saying "Only by actioning players for griefing other players can the abusive lancers be stopped" I'm not saying ALL LANCERS ARE ABUSIVE I'm saying that they, EME, are the ones who need to do something to stop the ones who ARE abusive. And actually I do go on to much furhter expand upon the idea and reasons I feel contribute to the situation and some underlying issues with simply actioning players for griefing ...

But none the less, you're not reading, you're making huge soaring jumps in logic by putting words I didn't say in my mouth. I'm not saying, and I did not say "All lancers" -- I'm specifically referencing the ones who are abusive.






Also, if EME just put whatever group loses a member at the top of the queue for a replacement that would actually largely solve the issue. Take a hour, or two, or three, wait period for a replacement tank and make it more like 5 minutes, 10, 15 tops.
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I know you want to feel special and all, but there is already a megathread on this topic. Is lancer abuse like the new "elin censor" fad. I'm going to be blunt as possible

1. A lancer refusing to tank with you is not against the ToS
2. A lancer kicking you form the group because of your class is not against the ToS
3. If you have a problem with it, roll a lancer and be different than the scumbags.
4. Roll another class that doesn't use plate.
5. Become so good at zerker that lancers will want you to run with them for the quick runs.
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Pinupgirl on 05/18/2012, 04:06 PM - view
TheHaremKing on 05/18/2012, 04:00 PM
Why don't we all just STFU and make a blacklist with proof(ScnShot) of them abusing so we know who not to group with.

Lancer are not jerks.
The people who are using them is.


But none the less, you're not reading, you're making huge soaring jumps in logic by putting words I didn't say in my mouth. I'm not saying, and I did not say "All lancers" -- I'm specifically referencing the ones who are abusive.


Yea. That's why it says "Lancer" for your thread title eh? Why not put "people"?