[POLL] LFD, how will it affect you?

Shealee Profile Options #531

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daays on 03/12/2012, 11:01 AM - view
Shealee on 03/12/2012, 10:57 AM



You are twisting my words.

No, not because Americans "demand more" is that some people in the western market demand that these companies fit a square peg through a round hole, well, in order to do that you have to end up with a round peg, note here that square and round are not the same, therefore we are left with a game that was not what the original western fans wanted to begin with.


And does that "some people" make up the large majority of the popluation?

If so I'd say that's market demand.

If not, well, all companies have to deal with loss of customers because their product doesn't fit the needs/wants of everyone. Part of the price of doing business. In which case your only choice is to eat the loss or find a solution that appeases the majority & minority without losing customers in both areas.


In short, I need to move to an area that gets to enjoy the originals BEFORE they are watered down so that Americans can stomach them.

Well, I'm going to have to agree.

Anyone know a hot Korean Dr. I can leave my husband for? =X
/hides
Edited by: Shealee about 1 year ago
Altearia Profile Options #532

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daays on 03/12/2012, 07:09 AM - view
Altearia on 03/11/2012, 05:00 PM


This game is more heavily focused on individual servers due to the politics system. And all potential threats to that system NEED TO BE VERY VERY VERY CAREFULLY CONSIDERED BEFORE BLINDLY ACCEPTING THEM AS GOOD/POSITIVE.


Interesting theory.

Why do you think making LFD cross-server will have any effect on the political system?


Because it damages the Server Identity, the Politics system demands that you interact with the people on your server, otherwise it will be a flop.

Cross-sever LFD lets you in theory fully gear and level a character without interacting at all with the people on your server. Cross Server LFD as it stands in K-tera will harm this game in the West over the long term.

Sure you might be happy with it right now, but a year into the game once you have 8 level 58s of all the classes that will be a different story.

Change for the sake of change is stupid, copy pasting WoW's LFD without very hard scrutiny is at best foolish, at worst criminally stupid.
daays Profile Options #533

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Altearia on 03/12/2012, 04:06 PM - view


Because it damages the Server Identity, the Politics system demands that you interact with the people on your server, otherwise it will be a flop.

Cross-sever LFD lets you in theory fully gear and level a character without interacting at all with the people on your server. Cross Server LFD as it stands in K-tera will harm this game in the West over the long term.

Sure you might be happy with it right now, but a year into the game once you have 8 level 58s of all the classes that will be a different story.

Change for the sake of change is stupid, copy pasting WoW's LFD without very hard scrutiny is at best foolish, at worst criminally stupid.


The political system has nothing to do with dungeons in the first place. I'd hardly call that damaging to the political system.

Side note, can you name every single random person that you ran an instance with so far in all the CBT's? Who they are, what they do, where they live, etc.

Edited by: daays about 1 year ago
noobiesnackz Profile Options #534

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daays on 03/12/2012, 04:13 PM - view
Altearia on 03/12/2012, 04:06 PM


Because it damages the Server Identity, the Politics system demands that you interact with the people on your server, otherwise it will be a flop.

Cross-sever LFD lets you in theory fully gear and level a character without interacting at all with the people on your server. Cross Server LFD as it stands in K-tera will harm this game in the West over the long term.

Sure you might be happy with it right now, but a year into the game once you have 8 level 58s of all the classes that will be a different story.

Change for the sake of change is stupid, copy pasting WoW's LFD without very hard scrutiny is at best foolish, at worst criminally stupid.


The political system has nothing to do with dungeons in the first place. I'd hardly call that damaging to the political system.

Side note, can you name every single random person that you ran an instance with so far in all the CBT's? Who they are, what they do, where they live, etc.



nope. why would I want to know personal stuff???

But I do have 30 people on my FL that I met because of actually having to find people...

Honestly, the 1 hour lockout costed more time than finding a group... I am not sure if you guys werent trying, or what. I found a group in about 10 minutes everytime. Hell, there was a point I wasnt even looking and I found a group when I saw someone in LFG trying to find people.

Its not that hard... oh wait... EFFORT EWWWWWWW.
Altearia Profile Options #535

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daays on 03/12/2012, 04:13 PM - view
Altearia on 03/12/2012, 04:06 PM


Because it damages the Server Identity, the Politics system demands that you interact with the people on your server, otherwise it will be a flop.

Cross-sever LFD lets you in theory fully gear and level a character without interacting at all with the people on your server. Cross Server LFD as it stands in K-tera will harm this game in the West over the long term.

Sure you might be happy with it right now, but a year into the game once you have 8 level 58s of all the classes that will be a different story.

Change for the sake of change is stupid, copy pasting WoW's LFD without very hard scrutiny is at best foolish, at worst criminally stupid.


The political system has nothing to do with dungeons in the first place. I'd hardly call that damaging to the political system.

Side note, can you name every single random person that you ran an instance with so far in all the CBT's? Who they are, what they do, where they live, etc.



LFD leads to Less Sever Identity (if you don't run [filtered] with people you will never know them) leads to lowered participation in Political system (since you don't know any of the people running, so why would you care who wins?).

Since I've only played a grand total of 96 hours of Tera, and the game has only been PLAYABLE in the west for 180 total hours; there has not been enough time for server Identity and the notable players to form and come to the fore.


It is very easy to add a LFD system now, but in the future if it turns out that maybe LFD wasn't the best idea, or that the implementation wasn't right, it will be nigh impossible for EME or BHS to remove or alter without massive [filtered]ing.

Far better to get it right the first time.
Altearia Profile Options #536

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noobiesnackz on 03/12/2012, 04:30 PM - view
daays on 03/12/2012, 04:13 PM
Altearia on 03/12/2012, 04:06 PM


Because it damages the Server Identity, the Politics system demands that you interact with the people on your server, otherwise it will be a flop.

Cross-sever LFD lets you in theory fully gear and level a character without interacting at all with the people on your server. Cross Server LFD as it stands in K-tera will harm this game in the West over the long term.

Sure you might be happy with it right now, but a year into the game once you have 8 level 58s of all the classes that will be a different story.

Change for the sake of change is stupid, copy pasting WoW's LFD without very hard scrutiny is at best foolish, at worst criminally stupid.


The political system has nothing to do with dungeons in the first place. I'd hardly call that damaging to the political system.

Side note, can you name every single random person that you ran an instance with so far in all the CBT's? Who they are, what they do, where they live, etc.



nope. why would I want to know personal stuff???

But I do have 30 people on my FL that I met because of actually having to find people...

Honestly, the 1 hour lockout costed more time than finding a group... I am not sure if you guys werent trying, or what. I found a group in about 10 minutes everytime. Hell, there was a point I wasnt even looking and I found a group when I saw someone in LFG trying to find people.

Its not that hard... oh wait... EFFORT EWWWWWWW.


Noobie, you are not helping. The implications of your tone serves only to alienate the fence sitters and irritate those who are already against you; resulting in much wasted time talking about the players' themselves and NOT the arguments they are presenting.

If someone is being intentionally antagonistic, PLEASE. IGNORE. THEM.
daays Profile Options #537

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Altearia on 03/12/2012, 05:03 PM - view


LFD leads to Less Sever Identity (if you don't run [filtered] with people you will never know them) leads to lowered participation in Political system (since you don't know any of the people running, so why would you care who wins?).

Since I've only played a grand total of 96 hours of Tera, and the game has only been PLAYABLE in the west for 180 total hours; there has not been enough time for server Identity and the notable players to form and come to the fore.

It is very easy to add a LFD system now, but in the future if it turns out that maybe LFD wasn't the best idea, or that the implementation wasn't right, it will be nigh impossible for EME or BHS to remove or alter without massive [filtered]ing.

Far better to get it right the first time.


So you're going to vote for people in a political system because they're good at running instances?

Huh. Always thought it would be cool people or players who take control through PvP. Not if they're good at PUG'ing with randoms players.

Notable players will surface with a cross-server system or not. It doesn't matter. They also won't be PUG'ing, but running with friends/guildies, so that also doesn't matter.

The cross-server tool is mainly for new players/alts and people on low pop servers that have trouble finding groups because of their situation.

It will have absolutely zero effect on the political system. The correlation just isn't there.
Edited by: daays about 1 year ago
Shealee Profile Options #538

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daays on 03/12/2012, 05:27 PM - view
Altearia on 03/12/2012, 05:03 PM


LFD leads to Less Sever Identity (if you don't run [filtered] with people you will never know them) leads to lowered participation in Political system (since you don't know any of the people running, so why would you care who wins?).

Since I've only played a grand total of 96 hours of Tera, and the game has only been PLAYABLE in the west for 180 total hours; there has not been enough time for server Identity and the notable players to form and come to the fore.

It is very easy to add a LFD system now, but in the future if it turns out that maybe LFD wasn't the best idea, or that the implementation wasn't right, it will be nigh impossible for EME or BHS to remove or alter without massive [filtered]ing.

Far better to get it right the first time.


So you're going to vote for people in a political system because they're good at running instances?

Huh. Always thought it would be cool people or players who take control through PvP. Not if they're good at PUG'ing with randoms players.

Notable players will surface with a cross-server system or not. It doesn't matter. They also won't be PUG'ing, but running with friends/guildies, so that also doesn't matter.

The cross-server tool is mainly for new players/alts and people on low pop servers that have trouble finding groups because of their situation.

It will have absolutely zero effect on the political system. The correlation just isn't there.


How do you make these "friends" if not for having to find people to play with?

pugging with random people leads to becoming friends if you are pugging frequently, pugging frequently with an LFD leads to ...absolutely nothing, other than a toon with all the instances and some gear.

LFD (as it is in other games) also decreases world pvp by making it far too easy to get a group without ever leaving a town.

You will also know far less people on your server. Making other tools like a guild finder necessary. A healthy server will have multiple guilds that everyone knows the name to. People will begin recognizing each other.

It is like the difference between small town charm or big city speed. Most people yearn for the small town charm only when they are beyond the age that city life is exciting.
Altearia Profile Options #539

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Shealee on 03/12/2012, 05:55 PM - view
daays on 03/12/2012, 05:27 PM
Altearia on 03/12/2012, 05:03 PM


LFD leads to Less Sever Identity (if you don't run [filtered] with people you will never know them) leads to lowered participation in Political system (since you don't know any of the people running, so why would you care who wins?).

Since I've only played a grand total of 96 hours of Tera, and the game has only been PLAYABLE in the west for 180 total hours; there has not been enough time for server Identity and the notable players to form and come to the fore.

It is very easy to add a LFD system now, but in the future if it turns out that maybe LFD wasn't the best idea, or that the implementation wasn't right, it will be nigh impossible for EME or BHS to remove or alter without massive [filtered]ing.

Far better to get it right the first time.


So you're going to vote for people in a political system because they're good at running instances?

Huh. Always thought it would be cool people or players who take control through PvP. Not if they're good at PUG'ing with randoms players.

Notable players will surface with a cross-server system or not. It doesn't matter. They also won't be PUG'ing, but running with friends/guildies, so that also doesn't matter.

The cross-server tool is mainly for new players/alts and people on low pop servers that have trouble finding groups because of their situation.

It will have absolutely zero effect on the political system. The correlation just isn't there.


How do you make these "friends" if not for having to find people to play with?

pugging with random people leads to becoming friends if you are pugging frequently, pugging frequently with an LFD leads to ...absolutely nothing, other than a toon with all the instances and some gear.

LFD (as it is in other games) also decreases world pvp by making it far too easy to get a group without ever leaving a town.

You will also know far less people on your server. Making other tools like a guild finder necessary. A healthy server will have multiple guilds that everyone knows the name to. People will begin recognizing each other.

It is like the difference between small town charm or big city speed. Most people yearn for the small town charm only when they are beyond the age that city life is exciting.



Thank god that someone else here understands me.
daays Profile Options #540

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Shealee on 03/12/2012, 05:55 PM - view

How do you make these "friends" if not for having to find people to play with?

pugging with random people leads to becoming friends if you are pugging frequently, pugging frequently with an LFD leads to ...absolutely nothing, other than a toon with all the instances and some gear.

LFD (as it is in other games) also decreases world pvp by making it far too easy to get a group without ever leaving a town.

You will also know far less people on your server. Making other tools like a guild finder necessary. A healthy server will have multiple guilds that everyone knows the name to. People will begin recognizing each other.

It is like the difference between small town charm or big city speed. Most people yearn for the small town charm only when they are beyond the age that city life is exciting.


100% agree, if PUG'ing instances was the only way to meet people in game. But it's not.

You can meet people through questing, through PvP, through just plain talking, applying to guilds, etc.

If anything EME just needs to take it one step further and allow you friend people from other servers and queue instances with them.

Not take a step backwards.

Also the World PvP Argument is void as there are already port scrolls in the game.
Edited by: daays about 1 year ago