Payvay76
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I really like the LFD tool! Can still play the game without having to constantly watch the chat!
noobiesnackz
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Altearia on 03/12/2012, 05:09 PM - view
/me will not ignore. Only derp.
Also, these guys keep claiming that they need LFD to find a group... but I had no problems finding a group for SB,SM, or any group quest the entire beta... Effort, its too much work. On Sunday, I went through almost 8 groups the entire 11 hours I played that day. I did nothing but run SB(for the first 2) and then ran SM the rest. It is not that hard, and it wont take a long time either... it just takes effort >.> oh wait.. EFFORT.... EWWWWW...
Some people claim they cant do without it but clearly didnt even try to without it. :/
Noobie, you are not helping. The implications of your tone serves only to alienate the fence sitters and irritate those who are already against you; resulting in much wasted time talking about the players' themselves and NOT the arguments they are presenting.
If someone is being intentionally antagonistic, PLEASE. IGNORE. THEM.
/me will not ignore. Only derp.
Also, these guys keep claiming that they need LFD to find a group... but I had no problems finding a group for SB,SM, or any group quest the entire beta... Effort, its too much work. On Sunday, I went through almost 8 groups the entire 11 hours I played that day. I did nothing but run SB(for the first 2) and then ran SM the rest. It is not that hard, and it wont take a long time either... it just takes effort >.> oh wait.. EFFORT.... EWWWWW...
Some people claim they cant do without it but clearly didnt even try to without it. :/
tormeanted
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Then you don't need to use LFG, and it doesn't effect you.
But keep searching for ways to bump your post anyways....
But keep searching for ways to bump your post anyways....
noobiesnackz
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tormeanted on 03/12/2012, 08:50 PM - view
sure, be a [filtered]. I didnt even revive it... GG.
and what do you mean it doesnt effect me? How will I find such quick groups when no one says 'LFM SM need tank' when everyone else has an easy button?
Then you don't need to use LFG, and it doesn't effect you.
But keep searching for ways to bump your post anyways....
sure, be a [filtered]. I didnt even revive it... GG.
and what do you mean it doesnt effect me? How will I find such quick groups when no one says 'LFM SM need tank' when everyone else has an easy button?
Edited by: noobiesnackz
about 1 year ago
wolfetx
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noobiesnackz on 03/12/2012, 09:23 PM - view
Well then that would mean your clearly in the minority if you could not find anyone the old way.
I highly suggest you use your guild and friends list to form your groups the old way.
Your statement is a prime example of the minority wanting to hold back the majority!
tormeanted on 03/12/2012, 08:50 PMThen you don't need to use LFG, and it doesn't effect you.
But keep searching for ways to bump your post anyways....
sure, be a [filtered]. I didnt even revive it... GG.
and what do you mean it doesnt effect me? How will I find such quick groups when no one says 'LFM SM need tank' when everyone else has an easy button?
Well then that would mean your clearly in the minority if you could not find anyone the old way.
I highly suggest you use your guild and friends list to form your groups the old way.
Your statement is a prime example of the minority wanting to hold back the majority!
Skyy
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Shealee on 03/12/2012, 06:58 PM - view
Congratulations? I was one of the people for it in Rift, and I'm for it here, for mostly the same reasons. Quality of Life while leveling is one of them, which is huge when you consider how much time you will be dumping into any given character. Think further down the line than just a week or month. When people have their mains geared out and are working on alts in a years time. Yeah, the LFG chat and waiting outside the dungeon is totally gunna work then.
You can totally not use the LFG tool btw. I didn't in RIFT because most of the people who were going to queue were idiots, and I was in a fairly successful guild, and I already surpassed dungeon gear when it was implemented, leaving me no reason to use it. But hey, the guys down at EME are gunna roll up to your house with a gun and make you use the tool, right?
If there was any real reasons - the usual suspects aren't reasons, as the tool doesn't cause stupidity to get worse, nor does it destroy server communities(if it did, your community was dead long before LFG) - then I might be inclined to get behind not having it. I doubt that's gunna happen though.
noobiesnackz on 03/12/2012, 08:45 PM
Sorry that I don't want to sit outside a dungeon spamming in the sea of spam when I could be making more effective use of my time. Yup, effort, ew.
Skyy on 03/12/2012, 06:42 PMPersonally I can't wait until it goes in(and it is going in). Allows me to queue up with friends while still doing other content and quests. Why are people against this? Community? Join a freaking guild.
I like my community to be more than my guild. Why are you so against that?
I fought hard to keep it out of RIft, to no avail.
The majority want the fast paced city life with no real attachments, those of use who want to know the people around us (on our server) and want to see names and guild names we recognize are in the minority, just like city out populate a small town so too does the opinion of those masses outnumber ours. It is a losing battle. *shrug*
Congratulations? I was one of the people for it in Rift, and I'm for it here, for mostly the same reasons. Quality of Life while leveling is one of them, which is huge when you consider how much time you will be dumping into any given character. Think further down the line than just a week or month. When people have their mains geared out and are working on alts in a years time. Yeah, the LFG chat and waiting outside the dungeon is totally gunna work then.
You can totally not use the LFG tool btw. I didn't in RIFT because most of the people who were going to queue were idiots, and I was in a fairly successful guild, and I already surpassed dungeon gear when it was implemented, leaving me no reason to use it. But hey, the guys down at EME are gunna roll up to your house with a gun and make you use the tool, right?
If there was any real reasons - the usual suspects aren't reasons, as the tool doesn't cause stupidity to get worse, nor does it destroy server communities(if it did, your community was dead long before LFG) - then I might be inclined to get behind not having it. I doubt that's gunna happen though.
noobiesnackz on 03/12/2012, 08:45 PM
Altearia on 03/12/2012, 05:09 PM
Noobie, you are not helping. The implications of your tone serves only to alienate the fence sitters and irritate those who are already against you; resulting in much wasted time talking about the players' themselves and NOT the arguments they are presenting.
If someone is being intentionally antagonistic, PLEASE. IGNORE. THEM.
/me will not ignore. Only derp.
Also, these guys keep claiming that they need LFD to find a group... but I had no problems finding a group for SB,SM, or any group quest the entire beta... Effort, its too much work. On Sunday, I went through almost 8 groups the entire 11 hours I played that day. I did nothing but run SB(for the first 2) and then ran SM the rest. It is not that hard, and it wont take a long time either... it just takes effort >.> oh wait.. EFFORT.... EWWWWW...
Some people claim they cant do without it but clearly didnt even try to without it. :/
Sorry that I don't want to sit outside a dungeon spamming in the sea of spam when I could be making more effective use of my time. Yup, effort, ew.
Edited by: Skyy
about 1 year ago
Tasho
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The LFD tool isn't about taking away from the existing environment, it's about adding a feature which people can choose to use or not use.
Yes, anonymity and the ability to be a complete retard in a random group is a possibility... but really...
Wouldn't a majority being anti-LFD suggest that there will be plenty of people looking for groups without using the LFD tool (since they hate it) and that the LFD tool would simply be used by those who are looking for groups during unfortunate hours? (which does nothing but add a useful feature for those people...)
I don't see how the lack of a LFD tool hurts the game if the majority of players wouldn't be wanting to use it anyhow... At the very worst, it becomes an empty feature that hurts nobody, and at the very best you have a feature that helps support those people who're playing when populations are crap.
Yes, anonymity and the ability to be a complete retard in a random group is a possibility... but really...
Wouldn't a majority being anti-LFD suggest that there will be plenty of people looking for groups without using the LFD tool (since they hate it) and that the LFD tool would simply be used by those who are looking for groups during unfortunate hours? (which does nothing but add a useful feature for those people...)
I don't see how the lack of a LFD tool hurts the game if the majority of players wouldn't be wanting to use it anyhow... At the very worst, it becomes an empty feature that hurts nobody, and at the very best you have a feature that helps support those people who're playing when populations are crap.
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tormeanted on 03/12/2012, 08:50 PM - view
Ignoring LFD does not magically "solve" the problems that LFD creates, ESPECIALLY if they just Copy paste K-tera.
As it stands K-tera has powerful tangible rewards for using LFD and not making you own group with friends and guildies. This is a Problem, this needs to be fixed, this is not up for debate.
Adding Teleport to dungeon will drastically harm OWPvP on both PvP and PvE servers, in fact it will kill the little GvG you will ever see on a PvE server, since you turn the game into a [filtered] hubworld for dungeons. This can be solved by limiting teleportation to near-ish safe zones forces people to still be involved with the world; but not forcing people to find long-distance transport from one Continent to the other.
Pure Cross-server WILL BRUTALLY RAPE AND MURDER a large part of a server's identity, this is also not up for debate, this is a fact.
HOWEVER I am aware that purely 1 server while the best for server identity and the health of endgame also has flaws; namely finding people for low level dungeons (Which i would argue are largely worthless in the grand scheme of the game, since you will at most do any given non-cap dungeon 1-2 to clean out the quests and move to the next questing zone). The best compromise is a system that prioritizes people on your own server over other ones, either a time delay on the system before people not from your server will be added to your group; or a hard limit on the # of people who can be from other servers.
I am not against a LFD, I have said this for weeks; but I am against the K-tera LFD as it currently stands, and I will not go quietly into the night if others continue to beg for that LFD system despite the potential long term side-effects of such a system.
Then you don't need to use LFG, and it doesn't effect you.
But keep searching for ways to bump your post anyways....
Ignoring LFD does not magically "solve" the problems that LFD creates, ESPECIALLY if they just Copy paste K-tera.
As it stands K-tera has powerful tangible rewards for using LFD and not making you own group with friends and guildies. This is a Problem, this needs to be fixed, this is not up for debate.
Adding Teleport to dungeon will drastically harm OWPvP on both PvP and PvE servers, in fact it will kill the little GvG you will ever see on a PvE server, since you turn the game into a [filtered] hubworld for dungeons. This can be solved by limiting teleportation to near-ish safe zones forces people to still be involved with the world; but not forcing people to find long-distance transport from one Continent to the other.
Pure Cross-server WILL BRUTALLY RAPE AND MURDER a large part of a server's identity, this is also not up for debate, this is a fact.
HOWEVER I am aware that purely 1 server while the best for server identity and the health of endgame also has flaws; namely finding people for low level dungeons (Which i would argue are largely worthless in the grand scheme of the game, since you will at most do any given non-cap dungeon 1-2 to clean out the quests and move to the next questing zone). The best compromise is a system that prioritizes people on your own server over other ones, either a time delay on the system before people not from your server will be added to your group; or a hard limit on the # of people who can be from other servers.
I am not against a LFD, I have said this for weeks; but I am against the K-tera LFD as it currently stands, and I will not go quietly into the night if others continue to beg for that LFD system despite the potential long term side-effects of such a system.
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Skyy on 03/12/2012, 10:54 PM - view
You will more likely than not just skip all non-cap dungeons, it won't be much faster grinding through the story quests that unlock the quests for the dungeons that make the run worth it; when you could just chain through BAM repeatables/hub hopping.
YOU are not thinking very far down the road, when after you have implemented this system everyone just sits in Velika and waits for their Que to pop; which is exactly what WoW has become, for all aspects of the game.
Shealee on 03/12/2012, 06:58 PMSkyy on 03/12/2012, 06:42 PMPersonally I can't wait until it goes in(and it is going in). Allows me to queue up with friends while still doing other content and quests. Why are people against this? Community? Join a freaking guild.
I like my community to be more than my guild. Why are you so against that?
I fought hard to keep it out of RIft, to no avail.
The majority want the fast paced city life with no real attachments, those of use who want to know the people around us (on our server) and want to see names and guild names we recognize are in the minority, just like city out populate a small town so too does the opinion of those masses outnumber ours. It is a losing battle. *shrug*
Congratulations? I was one of the people for it in Rift, and I'm for it here, for mostly the same reasons. Quality of Life while leveling is one of them, which is huge when you consider how much time you will be dumping into any given character. Think further down the line than just a week or month. When people have their mains geared out and are working on alts in a years time. Yeah, the LFG chat and waiting outside the dungeon is totally gunna work then.
You can totally not use the LFG tool btw. I didn't in RIFT because most of the people who were going to queue were idiots, and I was in a fairly successful guild, and I already surpassed dungeon gear when it was implemented, leaving me no reason to use it. But hey, the guys down at EME are gunna roll up to your house with a gun and make you use the tool, right?
If there was any real reasons - the usual suspects aren't reasons, as the tool doesn't cause stupidity to get worse, nor does it destroy server communities(if it did, your community was dead long before LFG) - then I might be inclined to get behind not having it. I doubt that's gunna happen though.
noobiesnackz on 03/12/2012, 08:45 PMAltearia on 03/12/2012, 05:09 PM
Noobie, you are not helping. The implications of your tone serves only to alienate the fence sitters and irritate those who are already against you; resulting in much wasted time talking about the players' themselves and NOT the arguments they are presenting.
If someone is being intentionally antagonistic, PLEASE. IGNORE. THEM.
/me will not ignore. Only derp.
Also, these guys keep claiming that they need LFD to find a group... but I had no problems finding a group for SB,SM, or any group quest the entire beta... Effort, its too much work. On Sunday, I went through almost 8 groups the entire 11 hours I played that day. I did nothing but run SB(for the first 2) and then ran SM the rest. It is not that hard, and it wont take a long time either... it just takes effort >.> oh wait.. EFFORT.... EWWWWW...
Some people claim they cant do without it but clearly didnt even try to without it. :/
Sorry that I don't want to sit outside a dungeon spamming in the sea of spam when I could be making more effective use of my time. Yup, effort, ew.
You will more likely than not just skip all non-cap dungeons, it won't be much faster grinding through the story quests that unlock the quests for the dungeons that make the run worth it; when you could just chain through BAM repeatables/hub hopping.
YOU are not thinking very far down the road, when after you have implemented this system everyone just sits in Velika and waits for their Que to pop; which is exactly what WoW has become, for all aspects of the game.
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Altearia on 03/13/2012, 12:33 AM - view
Yeah, because thinking of the quality of life for other players a year from now isn't thinking down the line, get real man. And if you think that dungeon running isn't worth it while leveling up...I don't even know what to say to you. This has never been the case of any worthwhile MMO in recent history, and surely isn't the case in Tera.
So wrong you are in fact, that most Koreans that play Tera play the same way that I said I was going to that you quoted. While leveling, they go out and quest and queue up for dungeons, do the quests till it pops, and then run the dungeon, for various reasons. In fact, you get boxes for completing the dungeon which yield pink/blue alkahest.
It is only at max level that they sit around and queue for dungeons while in a city, and it sure the hell isn't Velika.
Can't wait for that LFG to hit.
Edit: Oh yeah, and the only raid-esque content that Tera has is an out door raid ala raid rifts in RIFT. Yeah, they're gunna be chilling in a city yo.
You will more likely than not just skip all non-cap dungeons, it won't be much faster grinding through the story quests that unlock the quests for the dungeons that make the run worth it; when you could just chain through BAM repeatables/hub hopping.
YOU are not thinking very far down the road, when after you have implemented this system everyone just sits in Velika and waits for their Que to pop; which is exactly what WoW has become, for all aspects of the game.
Yeah, because thinking of the quality of life for other players a year from now isn't thinking down the line, get real man. And if you think that dungeon running isn't worth it while leveling up...I don't even know what to say to you. This has never been the case of any worthwhile MMO in recent history, and surely isn't the case in Tera.
So wrong you are in fact, that most Koreans that play Tera play the same way that I said I was going to that you quoted. While leveling, they go out and quest and queue up for dungeons, do the quests till it pops, and then run the dungeon, for various reasons. In fact, you get boxes for completing the dungeon which yield pink/blue alkahest.
It is only at max level that they sit around and queue for dungeons while in a city, and it sure the hell isn't Velika.
Can't wait for that LFG to hit.
Edit: Oh yeah, and the only raid-esque content that Tera has is an out door raid ala raid rifts in RIFT. Yeah, they're gunna be chilling in a city yo.
Edited by: Skyy
about 1 year ago