[POLL] LFD, how will it affect you?

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DrakeFS on 03/13/2012, 01:53 PM - view
I enjoy cross-server LFD for the simple reason, it makes it easy to find low level groups. Sure it is easy when you are leveling at the launch of a game to find these groups but after a few months it becomes a waiting game of hours.

No matter what your stance is on cross-server LFD, you can not tell me that waiting 3 and half hours for a group to do a low level dungeon is smart from a developer standpoint.

I am not a pugger on my Main characters normally, I run with a set group of people from game to game. On my alts however I use LFG and LFD as much as possible.


You're worried about low level dungeon finding. How about being a Slayer at max level and spamming the LFG channel for 2 hours because:

1. You're DPS.
2. The content you need to do might be a tier behind and not as many people want to do it anymore.
3. You're not currently playing at prime time.

Sounds like fun right?
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[quote name='Gangaloo' at='03/13/2012, 01:53 PM'][quote name='Altearia' at='03/13/2012, 01:46 PM'][quote name='Xeoshades' at='03/13/2012, 01:13 PM']

LFD Cross server systems are Cancerous to OWPvP and Server identity. This is true in every game that has ever used them, if you want LFD as K-tera has it, you want Cata-WoW with somewhat improved combat.[/quote]

LFD tools do not hurt server identity. Server identity has been, and always will be, determined by the guilds on the server. A largely populated server with the top guilds will always be viewed as a good server. Tichondrius on WoW was viewed as such for the longest time. People would boast about how it was the best PvE server and one of the top PvP servers.

They would boast about how it was the best place to find good PvP partners. Blackrock had this reputation for a while too. All this happened WHILE there was a LFD tool present, LF Battle Grounds, and Arena queue system.

Whether or not these features killed world PvP is up for debate. I strongly believe that if people WANTED world PvP, they'd start world PvP. It seems as though the vast majority of players prefer competitive BG/Arena style PvP as you're less susceptible to being over run by a Zerg. Most players consider getting Zerged in world PvP not being true PvP. Others will disagree. It seems like the majority leans towards arena based combat though. If it didn't, people in WoW and other such MMOs would go outside and attack cities.[/quote]


It is not up for debate, Allowing people to act with minimal interaction with the other people on their server, AND still be able to gain everything that players who do interact with those people WILL KILL SERVER IDENTITY.

I'm sorry, but why the hell do you think WoW has lost almost 2 million subs in 2 years?

LFD will go into Tera, this I know; I am not trying to stop that. WHAT I AM DOING is trying to get people to realize that copy-pasting the K-tera LFD will be terrible for this game in the long term. There are ways to fix it, so everyone can be happy; but you people begging for LFD are not willing to compromise at all, not willing to work with people who have very real concerns to fix what will break Tera.
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Shealee on 03/13/2012, 11:41 AM - view
Skyy on 03/13/2012, 10:55 AM
Shealee on 03/13/2012, 05:43 AM
Skyy on 03/12/2012, 10:54 PM
Shealee on 03/12/2012, 06:58 PM
Skyy on 03/12/2012, 06:42 PM
Personally I can't wait until it goes in(and it is going in). Allows me to queue up with friends while still doing other content and quests. Why are people against this? Community? Join a freaking guild.






I like my community to be more than my guild. Why are you so against that?



I fought hard to keep it out of RIft, to no avail.



The majority want the fast paced city life with no real attachments, those of use who want to know the people around us (on our server) and want to see names and guild names we recognize are in the minority, just like city out populate a small town so too does the opinion of those masses outnumber ours. It is a losing battle. *shrug*








Congratulations? I was one of the people for it in Rift, and I'm for it here, for mostly the same reasons. Quality of Life while leveling is one of them, which is huge when you consider how much time you will be dumping into any given character. Think further down the line than just a week or month. When people have their mains geared out and are working on alts in a years time. Yeah, the LFG chat and waiting outside the dungeon is totally gunna work then.



You can totally not use the LFG tool btw. I didn't in RIFT because most of the people who were going to queue were idiots, and I was in a fairly successful guild, and I already surpassed dungeon gear when it was implemented, leaving me no reason to use it. But hey, the guys down at EME are gunna roll up to your house with a gun and make you use the tool, right?



If there was any real reasons - the usual suspects aren't reasons, as the tool doesn't cause stupidity to get worse, nor does it destroy server communities(if it did, your community was dead long before LFG) - then I might be inclined to get behind not having it. I doubt that's gunna happen though.








Soooo, you fought for it to be implemented in Rift....aaaand then you..uhm...you left? What happen? did the community die? Did the population drop?

If you are so happy with the LFD why aren't you playing Rift right now?

Are you bored with it already? It is still a baby really, I mean hell, I played EQ2 for 6 years before I got bored with it. What? did it become too easy, everything went too fast, you got all your gear too fast?



Well gee, when it was first out the community was amazing, the grouping was fun, I had a list of about 20 or so people on my friends lsit from OW grouping and multiple dungeon runs with them. Of course just after the LFD thing was implimented I gave it a month, none of those friends logged in anymore, the only people on my server I had any contact with were those in my guild, which is fine...boring not meeting anyone new *shrug*



Not for lack of trying tho, I spammed chat all the time trying to find groups or more for groups, with comments like "just queue, everyone else does" leaving no one available to build a group from with the chat.



So ..after all that fighting for your easy mode in other games you decided it was too boring and so went looking for more games so you could ..what? do the same with the new game?



The definition to insanity is doing the same thing with the same reults over and over and over again.



I like my game to last longer than 3 or so months, I like my game to not feel finished in 3 months. I don't like everyhting to be so easy to obtain that I am left looking for another game in another 3 months.



Listen, Archeage isn't going to hit these shores for at least another 2 years. I want this game to last me at least that long.

You all have several games to go play that you have managed to get these things added already. Let us have just ONE that you aren't determined to come in and ruin. Or turn into an easymode themepark lobby game.




Someone call the butthurt police man, this person is obviously upset~



On a more serious note, I left RIFT because I got bored. I played it for 7 months or so and had well over 60 days /played. I also didn't like how Trion was handling Rogue balancing. When I left my server population was just fine, my guild was progressing through HK, and I had people on my friends list that still played. If your friends quit, I doubt it was because the LFG, and it it was, they probably wouldn't have stayed much longer anyways.



But yeah, LFG is totally gunna ruin Tera, right? That's why Tera is the 3rd or 4th most populous MMO and 8th or 9th most played overall in Korea...right? Yeah, LFG is gunna kill TERA,



I started playing MMO's for the longevity, like I said, my first lasted me for 6-7 years. You are bored with Rift after 7 months? You don't see an issue there? Server status shows a lot about population, here, are you telling me the population is healthy?

http://www.riftgame.com/en/shardstatus/

Not everyone wants a game that allows them to progress at lightspeed. Not everyone wants to be bored with this game after 6 or 7 months.


My server is at medium population during non-peak hours. Seems legit to me.

That aside, I really can't take you seriously anymore, to even infer that LFG had something to do with Rift's current population is outlandish at best. Let me know when you have a real argument that holds water.
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Gangaloo on 03/13/2012, 01:56 PM - view
DrakeFS on 03/13/2012, 01:53 PM
I enjoy cross-server LFD for the simple reason, it makes it easy to find low level groups. Sure it is easy when you are leveling at the launch of a game to find these groups but after a few months it becomes a waiting game of hours.

No matter what your stance is on cross-server LFD, you can not tell me that waiting 3 and half hours for a group to do a low level dungeon is smart from a developer standpoint.

I am not a pugger on my Main characters normally, I run with a set group of people from game to game. On my alts however I use LFG and LFD as much as possible.


You're worried about low level dungeon finding. How about being a Slayer at max level and spamming the LFG channel for 2 hours because:

1. You're DPS.
2. The content you need to do might be a tier behind and not as many people want to do it anymore.
3. You're not currently playing at prime time.

Sounds like fun right?



1) Then roll a Healer or find friends; even with LFD you will still be the least desired class and role in the game.
2) There will always be people doing level cap dungeons, people still did Strath even after Naxx came out in Vanilla.
3) Then you are on the wrong server, pick one that has a matching prime-time with your peak play time.

Sounds like maybe you didn't think through character creation.
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Skyy on 03/13/2012, 02:06 PM - view
My server is at medium population during non-peak hours. Seems legit to me.

That aside, I really can't take you seriously anymore, to even infer that LFG had something to do with Rift's current population is outlandish at best. Let me know when you have a real argument that holds water.



You do know that Rift had to merge servers 4 time already right? And that ruined what community the game had left right?

LFD was the largest nail in Rift's Coffin.
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It is not up for debate, Allowing people to act with minimal interaction with the other people on their server, AND still be able to gain everything that players who do interact with those people WILL KILL SERVER IDENTITY.



I already stated why it doesn't kill server identity. This has already been proven by what has happened in WoW. Look at my example. WoW servers had identities while these tools were in place. Competitive players would flock to Tichondrius. If there was no server identity why didn't competitive players play on Firetree (LOL!)?



I'm sorry, but why the hell do you think WoW has lost almost 2 million subs in 2 years?



Because the game is old as is bound to die. Because when the devs released cata they made dungeons too hard for casuals and basically told them, "Get used to it!", before finally deciding to nerf the dungeons after casuals said, "Bye!" By then it was too late. Maybe because people are bored of WoW and it's game play style? I don't see how you can pin point WoW losing subscribers on the LFD system. There's far more influential factors that caused WoW to lose subs than the LFD tool. One could argue that the LFD tool is what's KEEPING WoW's subscribers.



LFD will go into Tera, this I know; I am not trying to stop that. WHAT I AM DOING is trying to get people to realize that copy-pasting the K-tera LFD will be terrible for this game in the long term. There are ways to fix it, so everyone can be happy; but you people begging for LFD are not willing to compromise at all, not willing to work with people who have very real concerns to fix what will break Tera.



You have no proof of this. You're just making an assumption. You can't say "WoW is dying because of LFD tool". I'm sorry but you just have no clue what you're talking about.
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1) Then roll a Healer or find friends; even with LFD you will still be the least desired class and role in the game.
2) There will always be people doing level cap dungeons, people still did Strath even after Naxx came out in Vanilla.
3) Then you are on the wrong server, pick one that has a matching prime-time with your peak play time.

Sounds like maybe you didn't think through character creation.



Oh boy all of your points sound great for the game!

1. Hey guys if you can't find a group as a DPS then reroll!
2. There will be people doing such dungeons but they'll be harder to find, and group creation will take much longer than if there was a LFD tool in place. I don't know if you played FFXI but damn... getting groups for older content was next to impossible sometimes.
3. Hey guys lets all flood the most populated server so we have queues/lag/crashes! I seriously doubt that Tera is going to have as many servers to choose from as WoW. There might be a chance that you have to pick a server that might not be your exact time zone for population reasons.

Your solutions cause more problems than the LFD tool ever would. Glad you're not on the dev team!
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Altearia on 03/13/2012, 02:11 PM - view
Skyy on 03/13/2012, 02:06 PM
My server is at medium population during non-peak hours. Seems legit to me.

That aside, I really can't take you seriously anymore, to even infer that LFG had something to do with Rift's current population is outlandish at best. Let me know when you have a real argument that holds water.



You do know that Rift had to merge servers 4 time already right? And that ruined what community the game had left right?

LFD was the largest nail in Rift's Coffin.


Yeah, cause other games coming out had nothing to do with it. Get real.
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Yeah, cause other games coming out had nothing to do with it. Get real.



Haha yeah. These guys arguing against LFD are like zealots. They'll blame EVERYTHING that goes badly in a game on LFD.

Do they even bother to mention things like market competition? Poor game play mechanics? Using an out dated system (Rift is pretty much a WoW clone)?

Nope... it's all the LFD bro!
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Altearia on 03/13/2012, 02:02 PM - view





It is not up for debate, Allowing people to act with minimal interaction with the other people on their server, AND still be able to gain everything that players who do interact with those people WILL KILL SERVER IDENTITY.



I'm sorry, but why the hell do you think WoW has lost almost 2 million subs in 2 years?



LFD will go into Tera, this I know; I am not trying to stop that. WHAT I AM DOING is trying to get people to realize that copy-pasting the K-tera LFD will be terrible for this game in the long term. There are ways to fix it, so everyone can be happy; but you people begging for LFD are not willing to compromise at all, not willing to work with people who have very real concerns to fix what will break Tera.


No what you're doing is complaining and making outrageous claims.

WoW losing 2mil subs due to the introduction of cross-server LFD? Not like the game had an entire lack-luster "expansion" come out or anything.

And unless you remove everything that affects OWPvP, removing the auto port to dungeon won't do anything.

The claims that Xserver LFD tool "kills" the community is nothing more than hot air from players who felt they were known back when servers were small. Back when people cared about server firsts, not world firsts. But now that the population has moved onwards to bigger things, they aren't known anymore. Just another face in the crowd.

Big fish, small pond mentality.

Edited by: daays about 1 year ago